皮蓬认为乔詹很难进行比较，美国球迷：他的重点是称赞张伯伦 [Murdock] Scottie Pippen’s full quo

[Murdock] Scottie Pippen’s full quote on the comparison between Michael Jordan and LeBron James: “There’s really no comparison.”

斯科蒂-皮蓬对于乔詹之争的完整评论：“其实根本就无从比较。”

There"s really no comparison. Michael Jordan played in an era where the game was different. It was refereed different than what LeBron is playing in. LeBron plays a different role than what Michael played as a player. In all fairness to Michael, he was never asked to do things that LeBron [does], he had a lesser role. And statistically, LeBron"s numbers are far better than Michael Jordan"s numbers as far as. We didn"t utilize Michael to do things that the Cavs utilize LeBron for.

“其实根本就无从比较。迈克尔-乔丹时代的比赛跟如今大大不同，判罚规则也是不一样的。而勒布朗在团队中的角色和迈克尔也是不同的。公平地说，乔丹从来没有被要求去做詹姆斯所做的事，因此他的职责更轻。而且勒布朗的数据也远比迈克尔的漂亮。我们（公牛）当时并没有给分配如今骑士给詹姆斯分配的职能。”

So the comparison is unfair and they play different positions. And I know a lot of times we love answering that question because we want to hear the storylines behind it, but the truth of the matter is that it"s not a fair comparison to LeBron or Michael. One guy is considered a two guard and one is considered a forward. To say who is the greatest... we would never know that. In my mind, Wilt Chamberlain is the greatest player.

“所以拿勒布朗和迈克尔比较是不公平的，更何况他们的位置也不一样。我知道，有时候人们爱问这个是为了想多添加点故事性，但事实就是真的无从比较，无论是对詹姆斯来说还是对乔丹来说，这样的比较都是不公平的。一个是得分后卫，一个是前锋，谁到底最伟大……我们可能永远也无从得知了。我个人觉得威尔特-张伯伦是历史最伟大的球员。”

http://twitter.com/loganmmurdock/status/997592621475246080

Quite a reasonable take from Scottie Pippen, but it won"t stop the comparisons.

皮蓬说得很有道理，然而这并不能阻止乔詹之争。

[–]DownTownBrown28 3904 指標 13小時前

That felt like a long slippery slide to end up just being “Wilt Chamberlain is the best”

我感觉，皮蓬这绕来绕去说了大半天有的没的，最后其实就是为了表达他的重点：“威尔特-张伯伦是最伟大的球员。”

[–]76ersTmwill87 337 指標 10小時前

I was looking up 30 point 30 rebound games last night because I was curious. There have been around 150 30/30 games and Wilt has around 130 of them

昨晚我一时好奇搜了一下30分30板的比赛。NBA历史上总共有150场30+30的比赛，张伯伦占了大概130场。

[–]DownTownBrown28 211 指標 10小時前

But but he was so tall and everyone was so small.

但是，但是……张伯伦那么高，其他人都那么矮，懂球帝们我说的对吧？

[–]Jazz BandwagonSpaceCowboy170 174 指標 9小時前

Yes he played with cavemen back when the basket was the mouth of a

that dinosaur with the long neck

没错，他那时候就是在跟一帮山顶洞人教练，那时候的篮筐可能也就是。

额

那个脖子贼长的恐龙叫什么来着？反正是就是它的嘴吧。

[–]Ambrosita 158 指標 8小時前

LeBrontosaurus?

雷霸龙詹姆斯？

[–]Raptorsfabrar 52 指標 5小時前

Jesus fucking christ is there nowhere I can go to browse without being triggered

猛龙球迷：我特么现在不能逛话题区了是吧，到哪都躺着中枪。

[–]rambouhh 113 指標 9小時前

God I hate those takes so much. The average player was one inch smaller then and the average starting center in the league when he scored 50 a game was taller than the average starting center now.

我是真的烦楼上调侃的那些观点。当时的球员平均身高只比现在矮2.5厘米，而张伯伦场均50分时候的首发中锋的平均身高比现在的中锋还要高呢。

[–]Silverdrapes 67 指標 8小時前

I don’t think that’s what people mean. There’s no question that today’s athletes have far better resources and information when it comes to nutrition, weight training, cardio, and any other part of being a well trained athlete.

我觉得重点不在这里。毫无疑问，今天的专业运动员们享有的资源和知识太多了，比如营养，重量训练，有氧训练和所有其他方面。

It’s not that humans have evolved and are taller now, but it’s undeniable that we have more tools available to fine tune our bodies. You can look at pics of players even from the 90s, and many look very scrawny compared to today. This is true for every single sport, even golf.

所以质疑张伯伦那个年代含金量的人并不是说人类进化了也比以前更高了，而是说今天我们无疑有更多的方法来打造强迫的身躯。你可以看看以前运动员的照片，都不用太远，90年代就行，大部分和今天的球员比起来都瘦不啦叽的。这对于任何一项运动都是成立的，甚至包括高尔夫。

[–]Nuggetscrocodile-nasties 137 指標 8小時前

but that"s still ridiculous, because it assumes that if Wilt Chamberlain played today, he for some reason would not have access to the same resources and training

但这种（靠看低当时运动员身体素质来反驳张伯伦的能力）说法还是相当可笑的。说得好像张伯伦如果生在今天也不会获得今天的资源和体育训练一样。

[–]el_bake 1616 指標 12小時前

The text is basically "you can"t compare them, different roles and positions", only to end with "Wilt is the GOAT"

这篇文章基本上就是说“你不能比较乔詹，因为他们的角色和位置都不一样，”然后结论就是“张伯伦历史第一。”

[–]Knickskillajoey 855 指標 10小時前

Literally talks about positions and unfair comparisons then names a center who played in the 60s as the GOAT. Not a knock on Wilt, but what is Pip saying lol

皮蓬讲了半天位置不同、这么比不公平，然后他就说一个60年代的中锋是历史最佳。我不是说张伯伦不行啊，但皮蓬这是说啥呢哈哈。

[–]Raptorsrealsomalipirate 360 指標 10小時前

Pippen changes his opinion on this topic nearly daily. I can"t wait for him to say George Mikan is the GOAT next.

皮蓬关于谁是最佳的观点基本上每天一变，我已经迫不及待地想看他说乔治-麦肯是历史最佳了。

[–]RocketsTh_E_GG 71 指標 10小時前

Is that not the obvious answer?

这难道不是显然的答案吗？手动狗头。

[–][BOS] Kevin GarnettWizardofFloyd 125 指標 9小時前

If he can win a basketball championship for Minnesota he must’ve been fucking amazing.

你想想，麦肯可是曾经为明尼苏达这地方（明尼苏达湖人）带来过一座总冠军啊，他得牛B到什么程度。

[–][WAS] Bradley BealNaabahs 105 指標 11小時前

This guy has flip flopped and changed his mind so many times, it’s not even funny at this points. After all the shit he got from people and mostly the media for speaking his mind and saying LeBron was better than Jordan, he’s been backtracking ever since.

皮蓬真是三天两头变个卦，这可一点也不好玩啊。在他发自内心说他觉得勒布朗比乔丹厉害之后，球迷和媒体（主要是媒体）把他喷的不像样，所以自从那以后他就开始一步步收回自己的言论。

[–]SpursHereComesJustice 2085 指標 11小時前

"How can MJ be the best if I was better than him "

-Scottie, probably

“我比乔丹话强，所以他怎么能是最棒的球员呢？”

--可能来自斯科蒂-皮蓬

[–]Cavaliersrituallystoned 684 指標 10小時前

Madonna knows

麦当娜懂球。

[–]JazzMeatBrains 901 指標 9小時前

Had no idea what you were talking about. Had to google it. For the uninitiated:

"On Scottie Pippen and Michael Jordan’s rivalry:

完全没懂你说的啥意思。我谷歌了一下。给不知道的老哥科普一下：

“关于斯科蒂-皮蓬和迈克尔-乔丹之间的竞争：

Nothing but respect for Pippen. Great teammate. Great player. He was a thug when he came into the league, but really came around and they talk regularly now. Pippen and Jordan together defensively was as devastating a duo as there will ever be. Scottie and Michael used to compete on everything. Jordan used always claim his hands were bigger, but they weren’t.

对于皮蓬我只有尊重。他是一个很棒的队友，很棒的球员。他刚进联盟的时候就是一个小痞子，但是后来皮蓬真是学乖了，而且他们俩（乔丹和皮蓬）现在交流得很频繁。皮蓬和乔丹在防守端就是史上最可怕的搭档。他们在任何事上都会竞争。乔丹经常说自己的手比皮蓬的大，虽然实际上并没有。

Scottie was very blessed down below. And that killed Michael. Johnny said, “you should have seen the girls pippen had waiting for him everywhere we went. Madonna used to pick him up in a limo with a hot tub every time we went to L.A. Michael used to tell Madonna he could satisfy her better, to which Madonna would tell him “not a chance.””

乔丹的裤裆受到了上帝的恩赐，这也让乔丹倍受打击。约翰-巴赫说，“你真应该看看有多少妞排着队等皮蓬的驾临。每次我们做客洛杉矶，麦当娜都会乘坐一辆带浴缸的加长礼车来接皮蓬。乔丹曾跟麦当娜说自己更能满足她，而麦当娜的回应是‘不可能的。’”

Source

来源网站

http://deadspin.com/heres-michael-jordan-gossip-that-we-desperately-want-to-1754143612

[–]Cavaliers BandwagonDylanMarshall 1126 指標 9小時前

Virgin jordan vs Chad Pippen.

处男乔丹 vs 身经百战的28皮蓬。

[–]packersSB53champs 191 指標 9小時前

Air Virgin sounds like a real airline company lmao

Air Virgin（处男飞人）听起来倒是很像一家航空公司哈哈哈。

[–]Lakersrebeltrillionaire 247 指標 9小時前

Because Virgin Air is?

因为Virgin Air（维珍航空）确实是一家航空公司啊……

[–]RaptorsGo_Habs_Go31 191 指標 9小時前*

Jordan and Pippen once argued over who got to guard Toni Kukoc during the 92 Olympics. Kukoc was being sought after by their hated Bulls GM and they resented it. Imagine Kukoc that day. He ended up managing just 4 points on 2-of-11 shooting that day.

1992年奥运会的时候，乔丹和皮蓬还为了谁去防托尼-库科奇而争吵不休。当时他们记恨的公牛管理层试图追逐库科奇，而他们对此感到不快。你可以想象一下库科奇那天有多难受。他最后只11投2中，砍下4分。

[–]LakersCheckmynewsong 114 指標 8小時前

I remember how big a deal it was when the Bulls got him. It was like superteam hype. People thought there would be 2 Jordans on one team. He ended up having a very successful NBA career but he didn"t really live up to the hype.

我还记得当时公牛得到库科奇的时候有多轰动。一阵超级球队的狂热席卷而来。所有人都以为公牛有幸能迎来两个乔丹同队。库科奇最后的NBA职业生涯十分成功，但是并没有达到人们预期的高度。

[–][LAL] Elden CampbellFoolishdreamdude 289 指標 9小時前

Jordan: “I’m gonna beat that ass!”

Pippen: “No I’m gonna beat that ass!”

Kukoc: “Please don’t beat my ass.”

Jordan: “Stay out of this!”

Pippen: “Yeah, this has nothing to do with you!”

乔丹：“我要打爆他！”

皮蓬：“不，我才要打爆他！”

库科奇：“求求你们放过我吧。”

乔丹：“滚！”

皮蓬：“没错，关你p事！”

[–]red-sand 435 指標 11小時前

Putting aside Wilt, Pippen is absolutely right that they played different positions in different eras and for different teams that needed different things from them—so it legitimately is impossible to say who’s the best. All you really can say is that they dominated their eras and are among the greatest players of all time.

不说张伯伦这点，关于乔詹不同位置不同时代不同球队角色的这一点皮蓬说得还是没错的—所以要定个高下出来肯定是不可能的。你最多只能说他们都统治了各自的时代，而且都是历史最佳球员之一。

[–][HOU] Patrick BeverleyHarden-Soul 202 指標 10小時前

The real question is if you put LeBron on a team and Michael on a team, which one wins the title? And the answer is that it depends on the personnel around them. Anybody who’s watched them knows that not even they can carry scrubs to a title.

真正值得讨论的问题是，如果你把勒布朗和乔丹分别放在两个队里竞争，谁会赢得冠军？答案就是，这取决于他们的球队阵容。看过他们球的都知道，即使是这两个人也不能带着随便什么阿猫阿狗就拿下冠军。

[–]Celticsball4real 234 指標 9小時前

It doesn"t make for impassioned debate, but like baseball, the NBA has reached a point where celebrating a pantheon of GOATs makes more sense than strict rankings up near the top of the pyramid. Eras are too different, roles not easily comparable. There"s 5-6 guys with legit claim to the title anyway, depending on level of importance for health, longevity and relative competition. They"re all on a similar rarefied level to me in terms of skills and impact on the game/winning.

凯尔特人球迷：这不该成为一个热点话题，但就像棒球一样，NBA现在也到了应该接受多人共享历史最佳的荣誉而非给站在篮球顶峰的几人排座的时候。他们的时代都太不一样了，角色也很不好比。历史上有五六个人都能称得上是历史最佳球员，而具体是谁完全取决于身体健康，生涯长度，以及所处时代的竞争对手含金量。对我而言，他们在技术和对比赛/赢球的影响力上同处于一个极高的水平。

[–]Timberwolvesteddytruther 118 指標 7小時前

My view has been that there are only 5 legitimate GOAT cases: Jordan, LeBron, Wilt, Kareem, and Russell. Choosing between them depends on how much you weight things like peak vs longevity, regular season vs playoff success, scoring vs playmaking, era adjustments, and off-court impact/legacy.

我觉得历史上只有五个实打实的候选人：乔丹，勒布朗，张伯伦，贾巴尔，拉塞尔。具体选哪一个要看你如何取舍巅峰vs生涯长度，常规赛vs季后赛表现，得分vs组织，如何权衡时代的不同对各自荣誉的含金量的影响、如何权衡球员场下影响力和他们能为后来的球员留下的历史遗产。