乔丹最想成为大梦，美国球迷热议历史第一中锋争夺战 Hakeem's case as the GOAT center

Hakeem"s case as the GOAT center and a top 2-3 player all time

为什么我认为奥拉朱旺是历史第一中锋，也是历史前二三人。

To me, Hakeem is the GOAT center for several reasons. He"s the most complete center of all time, arguably the greatest defender in NBA history, the only center in the top 10 in both blocks AND steals (the next closest center in steals is david robinson at 58th all time in steals but most importantly, his 2 seasons in 94 and 95 are arguably as impressive as anyone 2 years in NBA history.

对我来说，奥拉朱旺是史上最佳中锋有这么几个原因。他是历史上最全面的中锋，可能还是NBA历史上最出色的防守人，他是唯一一名在历史盖帽榜和抢断榜上同时进入前十的中锋（在抢断榜上最接近他的中锋是大卫-罗宾逊，排在历史第58位），但最重要的是，他在1993-94、1994-95这两个赛季的表现，大概算是NBA历史上个人表现最为夺目的两年吧。

He won MVP and DPOY of the year in 94, and went on to average 29-11-4 with 4 blocks and 2 steals (seriously, who does that?) to lead the Rockets to a championship WITHOUT another all-star.

他在1994年夺得常规赛MVP和年度最佳防守球员，以场均29分11篮板4助攻外加4个盖帽和2次抢断（讲真，谁能做到？）的表现，在没有其他全明星队友的情况下，带领火箭赢得总冠军。

The very next year, the Rockets won back-to-back titles with Hakeem and he averaged 33-10-4 with 3 blocks and 1 steal while facing 4 57+ WIN TEAMS in each round of the playoffs, including Malone"s Jazz, Barkley"s Suns, Robinson"s Spurs and Shaq"s Magic. Arubably the toughest road to a title in NBA history and he didn"t have homecourt in ANY ROUND.

而第2年，火箭在季后赛面对的四个对手都是至少57胜的球队，包括卡尔-马龙的爵士，巴克利的太阳，大卫-罗宾逊的马刺以及奥尼尔的魔术，他以场均33分10篮板4助攻外加3个盖帽和1次抢断的表现带领火箭成功卫冕。这大概是NBA历史上最艰难的夺冠之旅了，而且他在每一轮都没有主场优势。

And before anyone say"s he only won those titles because Jordan retired here"s what Jordan said about Hakeem: you know it"s a good thing these guys can"t get out of the west." and the reporter asked "why?" and Jordan"s response was (regarding Hakeem) - "we have no answer for that guy."

或许有人会说，他赢下拿下总冠军只是因为乔丹当时退役了。我先给你看看乔丹是如何评价奥拉朱旺的吧：

“你知道么，那帮人没法从西部突围是件好事。”记者问他，“为什么？”乔丹的回答是“我们拿奥拉朱旺毫无办法。”

To me, Hakeem is the GOAT center and a top 2-3 player all time. I know he doesn"t have the resume, but his peak is as dominant as anyone"s

对我来说，奥拉朱旺是史上最佳中锋、历史前二、前三的球员。我知道他没有那么那么辉煌的履历，但是他巅峰时期的统治力不逊任何人。

[–]PistonsCerxa 246 指標 8小時前*

him and sampson were second years in 1986 and knocked out showtime 4-1 in the wcf. the celtics beat them in six but what could"ve been with those two

1986年，大梦和拉尔夫-桑普森才是二年级生。在西部决赛中，他们4-1击败了“Showtime”时期的湖人。凯尔特人在总决赛以4：2的比分击败了他们，但是他们二人组又本可以创造怎样的一番事业呢？

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[译注1]：桑普森在接下来一个赛季受伤，并缺席了大半个赛季，奥拉朱旺将火箭带进了季后赛，但在季后赛中排名第2的火箭却输给了排名第7的超音速。赛季后，火箭将桑普森交易到了勇士队。

[–]Raptorsraptorsfan97[S] 66 指標 7小時前*

Beating the showtime Lakers in 86 isn"t talked about enough. He beat a historically great team as the best player in his 2nd season in the NBA.

奥拉朱旺率领火箭在1986年击败“Showtime”湖人的壮举被低估了。他是在登陆NBA的第2年作为球队老大击败了一支历史级的伟大球队。

[–]AbjectEra 606 指標 9小時前

I would say he"s the best one-on-one post scoring center I"ve ever seen, better than Kareem

But Kareem had too great a career, side by side career stats and awards don"t compare I bet

我觉得他是我见过的低位一对一得分能力最强的中锋，比贾巴尔还要厉害。

但是贾巴尔也有一段非常伟大的职业生涯，我觉得奥拉朱旺的生涯数据和荣誉都跟贾巴尔没法比。

[–]LakersBIASETTI14 428 指標 9小時前

Magic and Kenny smith are different caliber running mates tho

湖人球迷：不过他俩的队友魔术师和肯尼-史密斯可不在同一水准上哦。

[–]AbjectEra 255 指標 9小時前

Yeah if you put Hakeem in exactly Kareem"s situation?

You would likely have the GOAT center in my opinion

是的，如果你把奥拉朱旺放在贾巴尔所处的环境中呢？

我觉得，你可能会收获一位历史第一中锋。

[–]LakersBIASETTI14 172 指標 8小時前

I"m a man who argues best player ever, usually not greatest ever. Greatest to me involves moments and what you did for the game and such. Kareem had the sky hook obviously but he was part of showtime LA. He won at every level I believe( high school, college, pros) all in LA if I"m not mistaken. Hakeem was better but not greater just because of situations.

湖人球迷：我吧，一般是讨论谁是最强球员，而不是谁是最伟大的球员。对我而言，最伟大包含着你所缔造的那些历史性的时刻以及你为篮球比赛所做出的贡献，还有其他啥的。很显然，贾巴尔有着天勾这一标志，但是别忘了，他是洛杉矶的“Showtime”时代的一部分。我记得他在各个级别的比赛中都赢得过冠军（高中，大学，职业比赛），如果我没记错的话，也都是在洛杉矶获得的。奥拉朱旺更棒，但并不是更伟大的，这也只是因为他所处的环境而已。

[–]Grizzliesthelasthendrix 154 指標 8小時前

Kareem grew up and went to high school in New York City, and also won a title in Milwaukee before going to the Lakers, so his success was not exclusively in LA.

贾巴尔在纽约长大、上的高中，在前往湖人之前也在密尔沃基赢得过总冠军，所以，他并不仅仅是在洛杉矶才取得了成功。

[–]ThunderReading_Rainboner 75 指標 6小時前

He also has 6 mvps and only one of them was after Magic arrived. He won his 6th in Magic"s rookie year

他赢得过6个常规赛MVP，而只有一个是在魔术师来了之后得到的。第6个是在魔术师新秀赛季拿到的。

[–][CHI] Derrick Rosepakidude17 277 指標 8小時前

While I love Hakeem as much as the next guy, calling someone the top center ever is one of the hardest classifications in the NBA, right up there with the greatest ever. It"s the most crowded position for GOAT conversation in NBA history.

尽管我也很爱奥拉朱旺，但是说XXX是历史第一中锋真算是最难的NBA分类了。这跟历史第一人的争论一样说不清，道不明。在NBA历史中，历史第一中锋是最挤破头的称号。

That being said, Hakeem is one of those instances where you have to look at so many factors. Yeah his peak was insane, but Kareem"s longevity will probably never be touched. He also doesn"t have the rings that Russell does (weaker argument imo).

但是，你讨论奥拉朱旺的时候也要考虑到很多其他因素。是，巅峰时期的大梦非常不可思议，但是贾巴尔职业生涯的长青可能永远不会被后人企及。奥拉朱旺也没有拉塞尔那么多总冠军（不过，这一论据在我看来比较无力）。

What I will say however, is that Hakeem is the most skilled center ever. Even if you don"t consider him a top all time center, you cannot deny his skill level. Two players ever have won MVP and DPOY in the same year- Hakeem and MJ. He was a wrecking ball on defense and so complete offensively. His footwork was impeccable, he had range, and what I don"t think gets enough credit is that he had a great crossover. A crossover! From a center!! In the 90s!!!!

然而我要说的是，奥拉朱旺是史上技术最娴熟的中锋。即便你并不认为他是历史第一中锋，你也不能否认他的技术水准。历史上只有两名球员在同一年赢得常规赛MVP和最佳防守球员——奥拉朱旺和乔丹。他是防守端的大闸，进攻端简直太全面了。他的脚步无懈可击，他有射程，而我觉得他没有得到充分赞誉的地方是，他拥有出色的过人技术。是过人啊！这可是一名中锋！还是在90年代啊！！！！

He may not be the consensus greatest, but he should be right there in terms of skill. You know how people are excited about Embiid and comparing him to Olajuwan? That"s because he"s shown only flashes of what Hakeem would do on a nightly basis (minus the threes). In terms of two way players, Hakeem is easily top 5 imo.

他可能不是公认的历史第一中锋，但是，论技术的话，他应该是的。你们知道大家对恩比德以及对他和奥拉朱旺的比较有多兴奋么？那是因为恩比德的灵光一现，正是奥拉朱旺每晚的常规操作（除了三分球）。如果论攻防一体的话，奥拉朱旺应该是NBA历史前五

[–]PelicansPABLOricardo 39 指標 7小時前

Only lazy people make the Embiid comparison because they"re both African. AD is way more athletic and handles the ball better than Embiid and is a much better comparison.

鹈鹕球迷：只有不走脑子的懒蛋才把恩比德拿来与他比较，因为俩人都是非洲的呗。安东尼-戴维斯比恩比德更有运动天赋，持球能力也更好，他跟大梦比才更合适。

[–]76ersPhiladelphiaFish 146 指標 7小時前

When people think of Hakeem, they think of highlight reel footwork, and Embiid has that more than AD imo. No knock on AD either.

76人球迷：人们想到奥拉朱旺的时候，脑子里都是他能上集锦的梦幻脚步，在我看来，恩比德在这方面的表现比戴维斯的要更多。我这并不是贬低浓眉啊，

[–]RaptorsFrobe08 96 指標 8小時前

Perfect center in my eyes - had the whole package can play inside and out. Can play in the 70s, 80s, 90s and even the pace and space now. He would"ve developed a 3 if he played in today"s era and be able to guard shaq on the other end. Obviously his accolades doesn"t compare to other legends but I have him on my personal starting 5

大梦就是我心目中的完美中锋——拥有所有的技能包，能里能外。他在70年代、80年代、90年代如鱼得水，甚至是在如今的强调节奏与空间的年代，他也能大放异彩。如果他在当今这个时代打球，他肯定会开发出一手三分来，而在防守端，他还能防守奥尼尔这样的大个儿。很明显，他的荣誉和其他传奇相比并没有多突出，但是我把他放入到了我的首发五人中。

[–][NYK] Damyean DotsonRasheediscool 125 指標 9小時前

Tbh no matter what anyone says to me, Wilt is the GOAT center in my eyes. Averaging 50 ppg is insane

But I understand that you"re saying with Hakeem and respect it

说老实话，不管别人对我说什么，在我看来，张伯伦才是史上最伟大的中锋，场均50分啊，太疯狂了。

但是我理解你说是奥拉朱旺的原因，我尊重你的看法。

[–]CavaliersSuperLurker1337 110 指標 9小時前

For the Wilt argument do you take into account the talent disparity in the league at the time? I mean some of the stats he put up are just flat out impossible to replicate in a league with more peers around the same skill level.

至于张伯伦，你有没有考虑到当时联盟中的天赋鸿沟呢？我是说，张伯伦到了如今这个天赋差距相比过去更小的联盟根本就打不出来他那些个变态数据啊。

Michael Jordan: "If I could pick any player of tall time, who would I take? Hakeem Olajuwan."

迈克尔-乔丹：“如果我能成为历史上任何一位球员（除了自己），我会选谁？哈基姆-奥拉朱旺。”

[–]Trail Blazers_Quetzalcoatlus_ 567 指標 8小時前

This reminds of the time the Blazers lost Hakeem on a literal coin flip and then passed on MJ. Good stuff.

开拓者球迷：这让我想起来，我拓当年不光错失状元签从而与奥拉朱旺擦肩而过，而且还没选乔丹。真是个好帖子啊，哈哈哈哈。

[–]Raptorsraptorsfan97 1443 指標 8小時前

Jordan when asked about Hakeem after a loss to the Rockets:

"You know it"s a good thing these guys can"t get out of the west." and the reporter asked "why?" and Jordan"s response was (regarding Hakeem) - "we have no answer for that guy."

在一场输给火箭的比赛赛后，有人问乔丹关于奥拉朱旺的问题，乔丹表示：

“你知道的，这些人不能从西部突围（对我们来说）是件好事。”记者问他，“为什么？”乔丹的回应是：“我们对奥拉朱旺毫无应对方法。”

[–]babbagack[S] 795 指標 8小時前

i saw a regular season game on youtube before Jordan"s first retirement(young). Hakeem blocked his game winner. Hakeem was not scared, the mental edge Jordan had over pretty much everyone appeared negated. and that is tremendous.

我在YouTube上看过乔丹第一次退役前他的一场常规赛（他还年轻）。奥拉朱旺盖掉了乔丹的绝杀球。奥拉朱旺毫不畏惧，乔丹压过其他人的气场在奥拉朱旺这根本不奏效，大梦是真了不起。

[–]WarriorsItsnotBatman 245 指標 6小時前

Hearing Shaq, as big a fan of himself as he is (as he should be), talk about Hakeem really shows how incredible the Dream was. Shaq spoke about being shook with Hakeem"s constantly calm demeanor, even going as far as to compliment Shaq mid game but tell him it would have been better for him to go left instead of right, etc.

听听奥尼尔是怎么说的吧，他是自己的忠实粉丝，认为自己非常厉害（他也应该如此），在这种情况下听他谈论奥拉朱旺的事儿，真的能说明大梦有多不可思议。奥尼尔说过自己被奥拉朱旺持续稳定的沉着风度所震惊到，他甚至会在比赛中称赞奥尼尔，而且奥拉朱旺告诉奥尼尔，如果他去左侧而不是右侧的话会更好，等等。

Shaq just couldn"t understand how this guy could be facing off against him, give him pointers that were 100% correct, and be completely unfazed going up against Shaq.

奥尼尔完全搞不懂奥拉朱旺竟然怎么敢背打自己，怎么敢不光背打自己还给予自己指点，怎么敢不光给予自己指点而且指点还是百分之百正确的，怎么敢给出百分之百正确的建议之后还淡定从容地继续与自己对抗。

[–]LakersVindicare605 224 指標 6小時前

Give Shaq some credit though, he has always been respectful of the other big man greats. Just hear him rave about Yao, Hakeem, Russel or Kareem.

Shaq considers himself great sure, and he should, but he"s never been shy about raving about the other greats that he respects.

湖人球迷：不过要称赞一下奥尼尔，他对其他伟大的大个子一向充满了尊重。看看他有多喜欢姚明，奥拉朱旺，拉塞尔还有贾巴尔吧。

奥尼尔认为自己很伟大，这毫无疑问，他也有理由这样。但他也从来不吝啬对自己尊重的伟大球员的赞美。

[–]Raptorsraptorsfan97 536 指標 8小時前

It"s a shame Hakeem and Jordan couldn"t meet each other in the finals. the Rockets would probably be the Bulls greatest challenge.

奥拉朱旺和乔丹没能在总决赛会师真是太遗憾了。那支火箭可能会是公牛遭遇的最大挑战。

[–][PHI] Julius Ervingglo-squad 308 指標 8小時前

They almost did but Magic embarrassed them when MJ just came back, then the Magic got embarrassed. I assume you are talking about Jordan’s prime years I guess

他们差点儿就相遇了，不过乔丹刚复出的时候，魔术把公牛扫地出门，然后魔术又被火箭横扫。我猜你说的是乔丹巅峰时期的情况吧。

[–]RaptorsMajorFuckingDick 380 指標 6小時前

Tall beats Small, Big beats Tall, and Small beats Big.

高个打败小个，大只击败高个，小个打败大只。

[–]Timberwolveswhythehellknot 185 指標 6小時前

Did you just break basketball?

你刚刚是破解了篮球的奥义了么？