30胜21负为詹姆斯近10年来最差，骑士仍能出东部吗？ 30胜21负为詹姆斯近10年来带队最差战绩

30胜21负为詹姆斯近10年来带队最差战绩，骑士还能否杀出东部？

The Cavs 30-21 start is the worst record through 51 games of a Lebron James led team in nearly a decade.

今年骑士的30胜21负开局是近10年来勒布朗-詹姆斯带领的球队的最差51场战绩。

James hasn"t had a worst start through 51 games since his 07-08 season with the Cavaliers. That team was 29-22, and would end up losing in the second round of the playoffs.

07-08赛季以来，勒布朗-詹姆斯未打出过比这更差的开局51场比赛表现。2007-08赛季，詹姆斯所在的骑士队开局仅获得29胜22负的战绩，最终在季后赛第二轮被淘汰。

[–]Charlotte HornetsVgatv 515 指標 16小時前

The Cavs are in all sorts of trouble. When Love comes back, assuming he comes back right at the end of the 8 weeks, the Cavs will have at most 7 games before the playoffs to gel as a team. Seven games for their Big 3 to play together before the games start to really matter. They are 2 games out from the 7 seed and facing the Raptors/Celtics in the first round. That would be a rough first round pull for a team still learning to play together.

骑士现在真是内外交困了。如果乐福能在8周后伤愈归来，那么骑士在季后赛前就将仅有最多7场比赛去进行球队磨合。留给三巨头磨合的时间只有七场，这七场之后比赛就真的开始有意义了，季后赛了嘛。

他们现在只领先东部第七两个胜场，要再输下去，就需要在第一轮迎战猛龙或者凯尔特人。他们是个还在磨合中的球队，猛龙和凯尔特人对他们来说都太难打了。

[–]pixelcowboy 17 指標 11小時前

What big 3? IT looks terrible after the injury.

什么三巨头？以赛亚-托马斯伤病后看起来打得真得很糟糕。

[–][LAL] Steve Blakepawshytm 106 指標 13小時前

Big 2, Little 1

双巨头，一小头。

[–]Bullsjames-1990 49 指標 12小時前

Two and a Half Men?

好汉两个半？

[–]noerapenalty 293 指標 14小時前

As awesome as the Celtics and Raps are this season, I’d still be shakin in my sneaks a bit to face the Cavs in the first round haha sucks to start the playoffs on such a hard series when you’re such a high seed and earned an easier one lol

就算凯尔特人和猛龙这赛季打得很好，第一轮碰骑士的话，换我我还是会有点害怕的。本来第一号种子应该第一轮打得容易，结果第一轮系列赛就这么艰难，实在是太烦人了。

[–][SAS] Kawhi Leonardjimalloneword 21 指標 13小時前

They"d probably be scared but you have to beat the best to win it all anyway

球员可能是会有点怕。但是想要赢得总冠军，龙凯早晚要击败最出色的对手。

[–]VenerableHate 29 指標 12小時前

Not sure why they would be scared at this point. Lebron/Love are the only things that are remotely worth worrying about. No Kyrie makes them so much less deadly. Plus they have Isaiah Thomas now who teams will be able to just murder every game if they don"t do the smart thing and trade him before the deadline.

我觉得都现在了，他们不至于害怕吧？詹姆斯和乐福是他们唯二需要稍稍担心的点，凯里-欧文不在，骑士的杀伤力大减。另外，他们现有还拥有小托马斯，如果骑士不做出明智选择在交易截止日前交易他，其他球队（对阵骑士时）就会对他展开屠杀。

[–]shadowsizzler 170 指標 14小時前

Almost like when Marc Gasol was out for a bit and griz fell to 7 seed I think and faced the thunder in the first round and went 7 Games .... I loved that series.

就像当时马克-加索尔伤停了一阵子，灰熊直接跌到七号种子，在一轮对上雷霆，最后打到抢七。那轮比赛看得真爽。

[–][ATL] Rasheed WallaceFalconsHawksBulldogs 75 指標 12小時前

Grizzlies would’ve won that series if Z-Bo didn’t get suspended.

如果当时扎克-兰多夫没有被停赛的话，灰熊就能赢下那场系列赛了。

[–]ThunderPiano_Fingerbanger 29 指標 9小時前

Grizzlies would’ve won that series if Z-Bo didn’t get suspended. punch Steven Adams.

FTFY

如果当时扎克-兰多夫没有被停赛出手打史蒂文-亚当斯的话，灰熊就能赢下那场系列赛了。替你改了。

[–]Jazzjwinskowski 285 指標 13小時前

What"s crazy is they"ve been hot garbage for weeks and they"re still at 30-21...

最疯狂的是，骑士队这几周打得像垃圾一样，然而仍然打出了30胜21负的战绩。

[–]BullsxSepulcherx 159 指標 12小時前

They"d probably be right around .500 if they hadn"t had 13 game win streak early in the season where Lebron was playing like an MVP.

如果本赛季初詹姆斯没有打得像MVP一样率队连赢13场，那骑士现在也就在50%的胜率附近晃悠吧。

[–]yoyowatup 123 指標 11小時前

Bron was playing better than an mvp lol. He was like 30-10-10 on 67 ts% during that stretch. Completely unsustainable

詹姆斯那几场打得比MVP还好啊，30+10+10外加67%真实命中率。这种魔鬼表现确实完全不可持续。

[–]randolph117 29 指標 11小時前

Yeah its crazy how everyone was saying hes at his peak with a a FG of 40+ at the 3. Now we see his numbers went back to his career averages.

对啊，他三分命中率40+%的时候所有人都说他现在还在巅峰。现在他的数据又回到他的职业生涯平均水准了。

[–]yoyowatup 17 指標 11小時前

I mean if lebron could consistently shoot 40 percent from 3 averaging 30-10-10 and he was playing solid defense at that point too. I mean that’s like head and shoulders best player ever.

这话说的，如果詹姆斯能稳定地场均三分命中率40%、30+10+10（那几场防守也很不错），那他绝对就是历史上最强球员了。

[–]LakersDarkSoulsDarius 3 指標 9小時前

He was not playing solid defense. Do y"all really need to make stuff up to praise him. He hasnt played solid defense in a few years.

湖人球迷：他那几场防守不行。你们为了赞美他也没必要瞎编乱造吧？他这好几年防守都不行了。

[–]yoyowatup 17 指標 9小時前

That’s just not true and I didn’t make it up. Also last years playoffs he was really good defensively until the finals. On the win streak he wasn’t DPOY caliber or anything, and he still had lack of effort moments but overall he was solid and in 4th quarters he took the toughest assignments be it porzingis, Schroeder, griffin, really whoever. His defense was a big part in the win streak.

你这是胡说八道，我也根本没有编。去年季后赛他的防守一直很棒，除了总决赛。连胜期间他确实也不是最佳防守球员那个等级的防守，有时候也会偷懒，但是总体上他防守很扎实，而且第四节他都会担起重任，防最难防的点，什么波尔津吉斯、施罗德、格里芬之类的。连胜的军功章绝对有他的防守一份。

[–]Cavalierscaughtinthought 12 指標 11小時前

And you know he"s kind of an outlier because people were acting like it was "just Bron"... 30-10-10 with that roster is absolutely fucking insane.

骑士球迷：当时人们表现得好像“惊讶什么，这就是勒布朗的常规操作”，通过这个你就能看出来勒布朗领先他人一档的地方了。带着骑士那段时间的阵里打出30+10+10绝对是很特娘的天才。

[–]Buckskharathos 9 指標 10小時前

He was actually doing what westbrook did last year. Only difference is we were used to the Cavs being a good team, so it didn"t seem out of place.

詹姆斯那段时间是在复制威斯布鲁克去年打出过的表现。区别就是我们习惯了骑士打得好，所以当时看起来就没那么奇怪。

[–]yoyowatup 8 指標 11小時前

Yeah I mean even during the win streak they weren’t that good. They kept games close and then in the 4th lebron would go win the game. But at least with Calderon it kept everyone active, and TT wasn’t sucking oxygen on the court at that point either.

我的意思是他们在连胜期间其实也没有打得多好，几乎场场胶着，然后等詹姆斯在第四节赢下比赛。不过至少卡尔德隆把所有人都串联起来了，TT也没有跑到场上浪费氧气（连胜期间伤停)。

[–]chrisrodm 238 指標 17小時前

How far down the rankings do people think Cavs could fall? Its only 5 games back to 9th place right now. The wiz, heat, pacers, bucks, 6ers and pistons are all capable of putting together some wins right now.

你们觉得骑士能跌到榜单第几位啊？骑士现在只领先东部第九五个胜场。奇才、热火、步行者、雄鹿、76人和活塞现在都有能力打出连胜。

[–]BullsDadAttitude 152 指標 15小時前

Holy shit are they really going to be struggling to sneak into the playoffs? They need to re-tool asap.

靠，骑士真得要费劲进季后赛？他们现在是真的得补充人手了啊！

[–]chrisrodm 104 指標 15小時前

Well I"m sure almost no one is truly concerned about that possibility. but its not so far fetched unless something changes. they really dont look like they want to play for one another.

我觉得没人会真的担心骑士进不了季后赛，但如果他们不立刻做出改变的话，可能这也不会是太离谱的猜测。这些球员看起来是真得不和。

[–]BullsDadAttitude 121 指標 15小時前

Who would have thought a defensively-challenged, 5’9”, thirty-year old coming off a major injury whose value was magnified by an elite coach would be worse than Kyrie Irving?

谁能想到，一个防守不行、身高1.75m、刚刚受过大伤、自身价值很大程度上是被一个精英教头给放大了的快30岁了的球员会比凯里-欧文还差呢？TX。

[–]BullsTheStryfe 110 指標 13小時前

A vocal majority on this sub thought he would improve the Cavs lmao

这个论坛绝大部分人当初还觉得他能补强骑士呢，笑死了。

[–]Raptorsjermcnama 43 指標 13小時前

They’d have to go 11-20 the rest of the way to potentially miss the playoffs. Making their record 41-41.

如果他们想直接失去进入季后赛的资格，那剩下几场得打出一个11胜20负的表现来，总成绩将是胜负各41场。

[–]BullsTheStryfe 49 指標 13小時前

Honestly I feel like that would fit expectations of how they"ve been playing this season

说实话，我觉得这还真是个符合他们近来表现的战绩。

[–]Raptorsjermcnama 37 指標 13小時前

Oh it’s possible. They’re 6-12 in their last 18.

Lots of games against sub .500 teams coming up though.

不是没可能啊，过去18场他们打出来一个6胜12负。不过后面很多比赛都是打排名后半段的鱼腩球队了。

[–]DeLoRiggidy 23 指標 9小時前

The second they hit 5th seed LeBron is going 35 point triple double mode and pulling then back up

如果他们成为东部第五，詹姆斯会立刻开启场均35分三双模式，然后力挽狂澜。

[–][NYK] Tracy McGradyHoboWithAGlock 20 指標 10小時前

There is absolutely 0 chance that LeBron lets them miss the playoffs.

I can see him going finals mode for a bit if he genuinelly felt like the team might not get there.

詹姆斯是绝对不会让球队错失季后赛的。如果他真觉得球队可能要输，他可是要火力全开、变成总决赛模式的。

[–][MIN] Brandon RoyDalamari 682 指標 17小時前

What if I told you in 2011 a team with Rose, Lebron, and Kevin Love wasn"t the favorite to win their conference.

如果我2011年的时候告诉你一支有罗斯、詹姆斯和乐福的球队不是东部的头号种子，你会不会以为我疯了。

[–]LakersMiopTop 138 指標 17小時前

I would have been more surprised if a team with Rose, LeBron and D-Wade wasn"t favorite to win their conference.

如果你告诉我一支有罗斯、詹姆斯和韦德的球队不是他们赛区的头号球队，我会更惊讶。

[–][MIL] Thon Makernomitycs 278 指標 17小時前

But they are tho

It should be What if i told you a team with Lebron, still the best player in the world, Wade, Rose and Love aren’t the favourites to win the chip

他们怎么不是啊。

应该是：如果我告诉你一个有詹姆斯（仍是全世界最好的球员）、韦德、罗斯和乐福的球队不是总冠军的头号竞争者，你怎么想？

[–][LAL] Kobe BryantChampagnesoda 197 指標 17小時前

With a former MVP candidate coming off a 30 ppg season

队里还有个前任MVP候选人，上赛季刚场均30分。

[–]NetsLiaM_CS 76 指標 12小時前

And Jae Crowder

这个队还有杰-克罗德。

[–]niggabiggatigga 58 指標 12小時前

And JR SMITH the man who scored the most points vs the rockets

还有对火箭得分最多的JR-史密斯。

[–]TimberwolvesSnarfSniffsStardust 23 指標 10小時前

He already mentioned crowder earlier.

"Still the best player in the world"

他已经提到过克劳德啦，你看那句“全世界最好的球员”。

[–]Cavalierscaughtinthought 53 指標 11小時前

I mean I could say in 2025 Durant and Curry aint winning shit. LBJ and DWade are like mid-30s now...

骑士球迷：我也可以说2025年杜兰特和库里搭档一样两手空空。詹姆斯和韦德都是三十四五岁的老汉啦。

[–][CHI] Pau GasolFelmaeggy 57 指標 10小時前

When I first read 2025 I was like man that"s in a really long time. It"s wierd that 2011 and 2025 are the same amount of time apart from where we are right now. Maybe I"m just high Idk mam

我刚读到2025年的时候心想，我靠，那还早着呢。但是转念一想，2011年到今年的时间，和今年到2025年的时间，是一样长的呀，可能我就是抽麻抽嗨了吧。

[–]Kekukoka 19 指標 12小時前

End the meme. No one is worried about cleveland.

这话题没意思。没人担心骑士队。

[–]TimberwolvesThatHotAsian 56 指標 12小時前

I mean out of all the Eastern teams I"d still bet on the Cavs.

森林狼球迷：所有东部球队里，我还是会押注在骑士队身上。

[–]Pacers2BricksLikeKubrick 27 指標 11小時前

I understand this is the most dysfunctional they’ve ever been... but it’s not playoffs time and I’m not betting against Lebron James. He’s earned that at least. I still think he can turn it on and do some damage. Also, they still have the second half of the season to truly figure it out.

步行者球迷：我知道这确实是骑士队最瘫痪的情况了，但这也不是季后赛，我更不会赌詹姆斯要输，他的实力让人不会赌他输。我仍然觉得他还可以开启野兽模式、制造破坏，而且他们还有半个赛季去搞清楚该怎么打呢。

[–]Raptorsthegreatprofessor 16 指標 11小時前

As much as LeBron can do, if the rest of the team is playing like this they’re in a very bad spot.

詹姆斯是很能打，但是如果球队其他人还打得像这样，那他们可真得情况不妙。

[–][MIA] Rodney McGruderjoshrichardsonsson 13 指標 8小時前

They’re absolutely the favorites come playoff time.

I’d put $50 they beat any and every team in the east.

People don’t fucking realize Playoff LeBron James + Moderately good Kevin Love beats any team in the east.

I love how just a few months ago the narrative was Bron is a monster and now he’s not even that good because he’s in the east hurt durd. You reactionary dopes.

热火球迷：他们绝对还是季后赛头号种子。我出50块赌他们能赢东部所有球队，因为你们没意识到季后赛模式的詹姆斯和状态还不错的乐福能打败东部任何球队。就几个月前，你们还说詹姆斯是个怪物，现在就成了詹姆斯没那么好，也太见风使舵了吧。

[–]HeatMiaCannons 3 指標 7小時前*

They never realize lol. I swear to you the exact same shit people are saying now was what they were saying before (Although not as many people). "This time it"s different", "LeBron doesn"t care", "Their defense isn"t good enough". Then that same team goes 12-1 en route to the Finals. I"m just hoping I can time the Cavs lowest point this season so I"ll be able to place a bet on the Eastern Conference winner and get the best possible odds.

热火球迷：他们意识不到那一点啊，哈哈。他们往年也就那点陈腔滥调，一成不变，不过说得人是比以前少了。“这次不一样了”，“詹姆斯完全啥也不在乎了”，“骑士防守不行”，然后其实12胜1负直通总决赛。我现在就想知道骑士什么时候落到本赛季的最低谷，然后我就可以押注骑士拿到东部冠军，那时候赔率肯定最好。

A few days ago, despite how everyone has panicking over the Cavs, the Cavs were still the favorite and would net you 2x your money if you bet them on bovada. Right now the odds are back down to 1.9x (Meaning for some reason either Vegas gained confidence in the Cavs or people are still betting on them) even with Kevin Love being injured. The next closest is Celtics at 3.75x which means they"re a decent sized underdog compared to the Cavs. Even Vegas knows better than to doubt playoff LeBron in the East.

几天之前，虽然所有人都对骑士的情况慌神了，但骑士还是头号种子，在在线博彩上押他们会让你赚翻番。现在尽管乐福输了，但骑士押注胜率却回到1.9倍了（说明要么是赌场对骑士信心更足了，要么是大家还在押他们赢）。第二名就是凯尔特人的3.75倍了，意思是跟骑士比，凯尔特人才是那个挑战者，而且差距还很可观。连赌场都知道别质疑东部季后赛詹姆斯的实力。

[–][BOS] Jaylen BrownGMPunk75 126 指標 16小時前

There"s no "magical switch" that"s going to be flipped with this team like previous years past. LeBrons never been on a contending team remotely this bad

凯尔特人球迷：这支骑士可跟前几年的骑士不一样，前几年的骑士可以随时进入状态，但现在的骑士不是说能上紧弦就能上紧弦的。詹姆斯呆过的争冠球队就没这么烂过，连接近的都没有。

[–]CarlosMancigar 243 指標 16小時前

I wish you good fortune in the wars to come.

...祝你凯好运。

[–][MIA] Hassan WhitesideBigShotBosh 95 指標 15小時前

I’ve heard this every year since 2011

热火球迷：2011年以来每年我都能听到这种论调。

[–]KyKid98 97 指標 14小時前

I absolutely guarantee no one said it in 2013.

Also this literally is the worst his team as done since 2008. He did not make the finals in 2008

我保证2013年绝对没人这么说。这个绝对是2008年以来詹姆斯待过的最烂球队，2008年他们也确实没进总决赛。

[–]RocketsIskandermissile 23 指標 12小時前

Kobe and Shaq were supposed to sweep the Pistons in the Finals too. Things change. LeBron is getting older. Other teams have gotten better. This year I guarantee the Cavs don"t go to the Finals.

火箭球迷：2004年科比和奥尼尔还本应该横扫活塞赢得总冠军呢。时代总会变得，詹姆斯也老了，其他球队变强了。今年我保证骑士不会进总决赛。

[–]WarriorsnewBreed 76 指標 14小時前

Yeah, this sucks for the Cavs, but look at it this way:

How spoiled are by Lebron"s greatness? Seriously, it"s a headline that his team is 9 games over .500? When was the last time a team like the Lakers were even over 9 games over .500?

His sustained greatness is iconic. No one has done it this long.

勇士球迷：这对骑士来说确实很糟糕，但你要这么看这个问题：

人们是不是被詹姆斯的伟大宠坏了呢？如果骑士比50%胜率还多赢了9场是头条，但谁还记得上次湖人打出这样的胜率是什么时候呢？

詹姆斯这种持久的伟大表现太詹姆斯了，过去没人能这么久地表现出色。

[–]HeatPropRandy 66 指標 13小時前

Tom Brady maybe. Roger Federer possibly.

热火球迷：可能是NFL的汤姆-布雷迪？还有罗杰-费德勒。

[–][SAS] Kawhi Leonardjimalloneword 56 指標 13小時前

Tim Duncan, Kareem Abdul Jabbar, Karl Malone? Not trying to discount his greatness, but if we are going based off high performance and team success, a lot of people have done that in the NBA. Kaj is probably the closest in matching Brons individual performance level

蒂姆-邓肯，贾巴尔，卡尔-马龙？也不是想让詹姆斯失色，但如果这个伟大的标准就是好的表现和高胜率，那很多球员都达到过啊。说到个人表现，贾巴尔可能是最跟詹姆斯相似的了。

[–]Maverickstd4999 7 指標 10小時前

Kareem was finals MVP at 38, and still a crucial piece of champions at 40 and 41. Lebron still has a ways to go to catch him, in terms of longevity

贾巴尔38岁的时候拿了总决赛MVP，40岁和41岁的时候还是冠军队的关键成员呢。说到常青，詹姆斯还有一段路要走哇。