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主队球员哪些表现让你抓狂？考辛斯头脑发热，斯马特的每次出手

Interesting Joel Embiid quote on people eventually turning on him.

乔尔-恩比德说会有球迷慢慢开始讨厌他。

"People love you at the beginning," Embiid explains. "But at some point they"re gonna start hating you. LeBron. Russell Westbrook. All the superstars. Even Steph. He"s so likable. He does nothing wrong, but some people still hate him. It just comes with the nature of it. I"ve seen it. I feel like I"m about to go through it. I think it"s coming. People always want something new."

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“球迷一开始会喜欢你，”恩比德解释说。“但是在某个时间点后，他们会慢慢开始讨厌你。勒布朗、拉塞尔-威斯布鲁克，所有的巨星都会慢慢被人讨厌。甚至包括库里，他性格那么好，他也从没做过招人厌的事情，但是有些人还是会讨厌他。这是身为巨星本身无法避免的。我亲眼见过，现在感觉我也要亲身经历了。人总是喜新厌旧的。”

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[–]NetsKlemhammer 1333 指標 8小時前

Ah yes the all so familiar ‘Anti Circle Jerk’

哎，令人熟悉的“今日是爸爸，明日是杀父仇人”的舆论反转又要上演啦。

[–]NuggetsBallMop 438 指標 8小時前

All of the young bigs, Towns, Jokic, Embiid, Turner, Porzingis have been constantly put through the circle jerk and anti circle jerk cycle.

唐斯、约基奇、恩比德、特纳和波神这些新一代大个子都一直在经历从万众爱戴到物极必反，墙倒众人推的舆论环境。

[–]76ersgustriandos 522 指標 8小時前

I ask r/NBA every morning if I"m supposed to like towns or not

我每天早晨醒来都会问一遍论坛我今天应不应该喜欢唐斯。

[–]SpursMightBeJerryWest 223 指標 7小時前

Waiting for someone to just make the app so we can check it in the morning

checks phone ah okay today we don"t like KAT

我在等人开发一个手机App让我们每天早上确认今天对唐斯的喜爱状况。

【打开手机，查看App】好吧，今天我们都不待见唐斯。

[–]NetsSelfDeprecating 136 指標 6小時前

How long until everyone stops passively rooting for the Nets out of pity?

要等到什么时候人们才会不再潜意识的因为可怜才支持我网？

[–]76ersuntrustable2 85 指標 6小時前

As soon as they"re not worth pitying I guess haha I dunno bout evryone else but I"ll root for basically any team who were written off from the playoff race except the lakers cos r/nba"s gonna be ugly when they good

76人球迷：得等网队不需要别人可怜的时候哈哈。我个人而言，我支持所有被外界认为进不了季后赛的球队。除了湖人，湖人强了以后论坛就不忍直视。

[–]Kingscmckone 80 指標 6小時前

Fuck the Lakers

湖人我去你大爷。

[–][LAL] Kobe BryantChampagnesoda 28 指標 6小時前

Our fanbases are going to fucking hate each other for years. It’s already starting tbh. I’m starting to feel the same way about the sixers as I did about the clippers a few years ago.

湖人球迷：我湖和76人的球迷会一直互相厌恶下去的，现在已经有这个迹象了。我现在对76人的感觉和前几年我对快船的感觉差不多了。

[–]FapCabs 34 指標 6小時前

No Lakers fan really hates the Clippers though. It"s just like faux rage. This Sixers-Lakers budding rivalry is starting to feel like ours with Sacramento.

没有湖人球迷真的会恨快船吧，感觉都是“人造”的敌视成分。现在湖人和76人初露头角的敌视越来越像当年我们跟国王的敌对关系了。

[–][PHI] Joel EmbiidiFeelLikeJoJoBruh[S] 41 指標 8小時前

have we turned on Turner yet ? I don’t think he gets enough love on r/NBA, at least not as much as Jokic KAT and Jojo (and also the KAT defense thing is pretty egregious I feel like it’s warranted)

啥，我们已经对特纳反目成仇啦？我觉得他在湿乎乎上没有得到足够的爱呀，最起码跟约基奇、唐斯和恩比德没法比。（当然唐斯防守稀烂这个问题让人很难不关注他）

[–]KnicksFCantante 73 指標 8小時前

Not really. Unfortunately people here tend to forget Turner even exists.

并没有。JRs们好像老是忘了特纳这个球员竟然存在。

[–]Raptorsgpc11 26 指標 7小時前

who?

你说谁？

[–]76erswsbull_35 52 指標 7小時前

Evan Turner. He plays for the Blazers.

埃文-特纳。给开拓者打球的那个。

[–]Trail BlazersSKHRAEURPL 10 指標 4小時前

I wish I could forget about him.

开拓者球迷：呵呵，还不如让我忘了他。

[–]TimberwolvesDreadWolf3 63 指標 7小時前

Rick and Morty will always be prime example of anti circle jerk for me. I never got around to watch it but everyone liked it and it got unreal amounts of love on internet - and then anti circle jerk started when their fans did stupid shit. I feel it is cardinal sin to say you like that show right now.

《瑞克和莫蒂》[译注1]简直就是舆论被来回导向的最佳例子。我之前一直没机会看，但是好像所有人都很喜欢这剧，并且在网上好评如潮。接下来这剧的粉丝干了些傻X事儿，舆论彻底被反向引导。现在喜欢这剧简直就是原罪。

[译注1]：美国著名成人动画科幻情景喜剧。傻事指的是该剧粉丝在Reddit上设立了分区，进入条件必须是写一篇关于Rick and Morty的论文，并称只有高智商的人才能看得懂这部剧，引来广泛的调侃和嘲讽。

[–]NetsWhoawejustmet 40 指標 6小時前

Which sucks cuz it’s genuinely a good show. But like everything that gets big parts of the fandom got toxic af.

哎，这剧本身确实是精品。但是，一粉顶十黑这个道理恒久不变。

[–]Igoritza 75 指標 6小時前

The problem with Rick and Morty is in the personality flaws of some of the fans - rub it in your face that it is actually for a smart audience. Which is not entirely true, producers just used the best possible way of "multi-layered humor" that Friends introduced back in the day (Chandler representing intelligent humor, where Joey is guy for simple jokes like farts and eating and stuff, with all the rest being in the middle of it)

《瑞克和莫蒂》主要问题是，这剧的部分粉丝性格上有一定缺陷：他们狂向人们安利说这剧是给聪明人看的。但是事实其实并不是这样。《瑞克和莫蒂》的制作人最佳地运用了当年《老友记》中的“多层次幽默”。（钱德勒代表智慧型的幽默，乔伊则代表最简单的行为搞笑：放屁、狂爱吃的性格等等，其他的都是在这两者之间的层次。）

Many shows tried to emulate that, due to Friends success, and some managed to pull it off and attract audience, but Rick and Morty actually mastered it -

from planet with asses that fart randomly (fart jokes, simplest type of humor) and guy named Mr. Poopybutthole, Garblovians (my favorite aliens ever! :D "Gaba blag blag" ) all the way to severely complicated mental state of Rick with his superiority complex intertwined with his nihilism, view of purpose in life, and constant struggle to suppress emotions that he obviously has, in order to separate himself from the human, that he is, to a cosmic deity that he think is a title he deserves

许多剧都因为《老友记》的成功曾经学过这种表达方式，有些也确实做到了并且吸引了不少观众。但是《瑞克和莫蒂》在这方面则是炉火纯青，从Mr. Poopybutthole[译注2], Garblovians（我最喜欢的外星人！）这些简单的一直到瑞克因为他的“至尊情结”、“虚无主义”、他对生命意义的看法、和作为凡人但为了自己应得的宇宙神明身份而不停压抑显而易见的情感，以将自己区分出普通人的行列各种事情相互交错所造成的复杂精神状况。这些都产生了各种层次、类型的笑料。

[译注2]：Mr. Poopybutthole和Garblovians为剧中人物。

There are serious life lessons to be learned from Rick and Morty even if you tihnk are smart, even if you actually are smart, even from episodes that are kinda of boring (like the Toxic Rick and morty for instance) where you realize some of the most peculiar traits of human nature, delivered to you via a god-damn cartoon.

从《瑞克和莫蒂》中你真的能学到很多人生哲理。就算你充满着智慧，你还是能从这卡通最无聊的几集中学到隐藏在人性中最古怪的特性。

Problem arose due to bad people that think it is ONLY for smart audience and they are smart cause they watch it. Those are the worst people. And, it would seem, like the girl from my facebook that wrote "I now only date guys that watch Rick and Morty" and people like her, are most probably people that do not understand the show as a whole. (which is a bit of a paradox, as it would seem that now im doing it, but I hope you get my point)

有些人则错以为这剧是专门给聪明人看的，看了这剧会给了他们莫名的优越感。像我脸书里面一个女孩，会发状态说：“我只交看过《瑞克和莫蒂》的男朋友。”像她这种人，则恰恰没有理解这剧的主旨。（我写了这么长的评论，可能跟我的话有些自相矛盾吧，但是你懂我的意思）

Show is phenomenal and is for EVERY audience. If someone tells you that it is for smart people only, first slap them in the head, then ask them to explain to you on which physics theory is Rick"s portal gun based, what would be theoretical power source for it, and if they do not answer slap them again 3 times.

这剧真的很不错，而且是面向各种观众的。如果有人说这剧是专门给聪明人看的，先扇他一巴掌，再问问他剧里面瑞克的传送枪依据的是什么物理定律，它理论上的动力来源是什么。如果他答不上来，再扇他三个巴掌。

[–]SunsAnotherDrZoidberg 276 指標 8小時前

I mean, people already have started to turn on him because of his social media shenanigans. In addition to being really good and popular he likes to run his mouth. It"s inevitable, he will have people who don"t like him.

已经有人因为恩比德社交网络上的各种言论开始讨厌他了。他确实很强，也很受欢迎，但是遭不住他还有个大嘴巴。因此被人讨厌是无法避免。

[–][LAL] Kobe Bryantsbairedd13 855 指標 8小時前

Damn, I was just about to start hating on him, and he goes and says this

MMP，我正准备开始讨厌他。他立马就说了这个。

[–]Warriorstoothbud 511 指標 8小時前

I"m gonna start liking him just to prove him wrong

为了证明他说的不对，我决定开始粉他！

[–]NBAwhy_rob_y 123 指標 8小時前

No, that"s what he wants you to do! Better hate him just to be safe.

不行不行，这正中他下怀。保险起见还是讨厌他吧

[–]Raptorsjps78 232 指標 8小時前

He"s right in a sense but Embiid brings quality memes so it will be hard to turn on him

恩比德说的还是有些道理，但是他梗力无限，让人很难不喜欢他啊。

[–]WarriorsTortadeMilanesa 69 指標 8小時前

He"s right, but I think his own backlash is still a couple of years away unless the Sixers shock the world and make the Finals this year.

恩比德说的是没错，但是我觉得他现在还没到有黑粉的层次。除非76人今年震惊世界地进入总决赛。

[–]NetsKlemhammer 47 指標 8小時前

Warriors brought so much joy to me when yous beat Lebron for the championship but now Warriors are my most hated team by far and that includes Celtics aswell and now Lebron is my favorite player outside of the Nets players.

But I can see Warriors being fan favs again if KD left tho

篮网球迷：勇士当年击败詹姆斯夺冠让我有点路转粉，但是现在哪怕算上凯尔特人，勇士还是我最讨厌的球队。现在除了我网的球员，我最喜欢詹姆斯。

不过我觉得如果杜兰特离开勇士，勇士还会再受大家欢迎的。

[–][NYK] Chris Copelandbootum 277 指標 7小時前

Even Steph. He"s so likable. He does nothing wrong, but some people still hate him.

a thousand times this

“甚至包括库里，他性格那么好，他也从没做过招人厌的事情，但是有些人还是会讨厌他。”

狂亮一千遍！

[–]Warriorsfopiecechicken 203 指標 6小時前

Dude, he chews his mouthguard and often hurls it like some sort of venom covered boomerang. He"s basically Satan.

勇士球迷：老哥，库里老是咬他的牙套，还像扔剧毒回旋镖一样扔牙套。活脱脱撒旦现形啊。TX

[–]76ersHelreaver 49 指標 6小時前

Have you ever seen Steph and Hitler in the same room? I haven"t.

I"m not trying to imply anything, just pointing that out.

你见过希特勒和库里在同一个屋子里出现过么？反正我从来没有。[译注3]

没有想影射什么，只是指出这个事实。

[译注3]：美国人常用梗，没在同一地点出现过的两个人物，则暗指他们其实为同一人。

[–]MagicIteLacerti 27 指標 5小時前

Whatever, I want my superstars to make their 3s when arbitrary charity money is on the line at my NBA all star weekend festivities. Until then, he"s basically dead to me.

我一点不在乎，我就希望我喜欢的巨星能在全明星上的慈善节目上扔进超远三分。在那之前，他跟死的没啥区别，TX。[译注4]

[译注4]库里在2016年全明星中的一个慈善活动中超远三分全部打铁，后来成为Reddit的一个梗，开玩笑说库里是癌症代言人，拒绝慈善。

[–]KnicksIgemonas 22 指標 6小時前

They don"t like how "cocky" he is on the court. He has his moments, but every player celebrates when their team is killing it. GS just happens to win more games so we see it more often from him. Doesn"t help that he is the face of the league"s best team in the past three of the four years.

That being said, I think Steph is the most likable person on the Warriors other than Kerr, but he"s also got Zaza, KD, and Draymond on that team.

人们会厌恶库里场上自大的行为。他是有很多这种时刻，但是几乎所有球员都会在球队大杀特杀的时候庆祝。勇士只是因为赢了很多球，所以库里庆祝得更多。当然，勇士作为联盟过去四年中最强的球队，而且库里在其中三年都是球队门面，他成为众矢之的也是情理之中。

话说回来，除了科尔，我觉得库里是勇士队中最讨人喜欢的人。但是勇士队里还有扎扎、杜兰特和格林。

[–]Celticstaco_whisperer 82 指標 8小時前

Except Klay

除了克莱。

[–]KingsTheFoxKing5 45 指標 6小時前

I think people like Klay because he just seems like a normal chill dude that just so happens to be really good at basketball. Like he walks out onto the court like I walk into the office. With that like "Ugh... What"s up guys. Another fuckin" day am I right? I"d rather be at home chillin."

Like there"s not really a front about him. There"s no "persona" if that makes sense. Guys like Steph, LeBron, KD, etc. put out a persona for the camera. They are conscious of their image. Klay just don"t give a fuck.

人们喜欢克莱是因为他就是个篮球打得特别好的普通老铁。他每天上场打球就跟我每天去上班一样，嘴上嘟囔着：“哥们吃了么？哎，又是累成狗的一天，啥时候咱能休个假啊！”

他完全没有偶像包袱，没有作为篮球明星的人设，就是个普通人。

库里、詹姆斯、杜兰特这些明星，在摄像机前都有各自的人设，都会在乎自己的羽毛。克莱完全不在乎这些。

[–]Spursjoelrizner 7 指標 6小時前*

Klay, Dame, Dirk, Timmy, kawhi.. did anyone ever hate KG? (Edit: yes, many did)

I think some guys are just un-unlikable. And that"s just stars. Role players are generally likable (not looking at you Marcus Smart). Who"s gonna hate on Jamal Crawford or Kyle Anderson?

克莱、利拉德、德克、邓肯和伦纳德这些球员都被大部分中立球迷喜爱。另外之前有很多人讨厌加内特么？（编辑：好吧，好像很多人讨厌）。

我觉得有些人就是让人无法生厌，角色球员中这样的例子更多（斯玛特我没跟你说）。有谁真的讨厌贾马尔-克劳福德和凯尔-安德森？

[–]Raptorsfabrar 60 指標 8小時前

Klay"s popularity is entirely memes-based. He does some mundane, banal stuff like drinking beer during an interview or signing a toaster and r/nba turns it into some comic art piece. In reality, he"s pretty dull and uninteresting.

克莱这么受欢迎是因为跟他相关的各种梗。他只是做了些很平常的事，像接受采访的时候喝点啤酒和给烤面包机签名。然后湿乎乎把这些变成了富有喜剧效果的艺术作品。而实际上，他可能是个很无聊的人。