硬性工资帽是否会缩小NBA的“贫富差距”？NBA能否效仿NHL？比尔-西蒙斯：如果你已经厌倦了勇骑对

Bill Simmons: if you are tired of Warriors vs Cavs, then come next collective bargaining let"s vote for "hard cap". Warriors and Cavs have the #1 and #2 highest salary in NBA.

比尔-西蒙斯：如果你已经厌倦了勇骑对决，那接下来就请你为“硬性工资帽”的讨论投上一票吧。勇士和骑士是全联盟薪水排名前两名的球队。

Bill Simmons was talking about how Adam Silver would respond if someone were to complain to him about how they are tired of Cavs vs Warriors every year.

比尔-西蒙斯在自己的播客节目中谈到，如果有人向亚当-萧华抱怨说每年都是骑勇对决大家都看腻了，萧华会做出什么样的回应。

Does "hard cap" really promote parity? the only major sport league in US that has hard cap is NHL. How is the competitive balance in NHL?

“硬性工资帽”一定会缩小NBA的贫富差距吗吗？美国唯一拥有“硬性工资帽”的体育联盟是冰球联盟。那儿的竞争平衡到底如何呢？有没有吊大的朋友愿意出来说说?

[–]PaulAtreidesIsEvil 523 指標 4小時前

How is the competitive balance in NHL?

Pretty good

NHL的竞争平衡如何?

挺好的。

[–][BOS] Kelly OlynykSlayer_Of_Anubis 226 指標 4小時前

3 of the top 4 teams in the regular season were projected to finish in the bottom half of the league. It"s wild

目前冰球联盟里常规赛排名前四球队里的三支在赛季初都被预测掉入后半区。那竞争性简直了。

[–]xcessive_ninja 104 指標 4小時前

Is the NFL no longer a major sport? Because they have a hard cap as well.

难道NFL已经不算全美主要的体育联盟了吗？因为NFL也有硬性工资帽啊。

[–]BucksKrookedasFuck 107 指標 4小時前

Does the NFL not exist anymore?

同问啊，难道NFL已经不存在了嘛?

Also, you can’t really compare parity in the NFL or NHL to the NBA because the NFL has a single elimination playoff and hockey is way lower scoring. As a result, both leagues have a much higher variance than the NBA. The NBA is the only league where the “best” team is actually extremely likely to win every year.

同样的，你其实不能完全将橄榄球或者冰球联盟的贫富差距拿来与NBA相比，因为橄榄球联盟的季后赛采取的是一场淘汰制，而冰球比赛一场的得分则少的可怜。所以冰球和橄榄球的变数都比NBA大得多。NBA是全美唯一一个“最好的球队”每年都极其有可能夺冠的体育联盟。

I think a hard cap would help, but the real answer is ditching max contracts. If KD and Steph are each making $60 million a year, nobody is building a super team. Never going to happen because it means money out of the pockets of 95% of players, but it would be the best option to promote parity.

我觉得硬性工资帽或许能在一定程度上缓解这个问题，但真正的答案是彻底废除顶薪合同。如果杜兰特和库里能每年各自赚到6000万的合同，就没有人能组建起来一支超级球队。虽然这事儿永远不可能实现，因为这样就意味着联盟95%的球员都要少挣钱了，但我依旧觉得它是解决联盟贫富差距问题的正解。

[–]NBAmindofay 772 指標 4小時前

Bill"s going to be singing a different tune when the Celts inevitably have to pay all their young guys

当比尔-西蒙斯发现凯尔特人不得不向他们所有的青年才俊支付大合同的时候，他会立即改口的。

[–]SupersonicsKio_HS 213 指標 3小時前

He already talked about it multiple times

He agrees that Celtics will have to let go a lot of their assets/young core

他其实已经就这个问题发过很多次声了。

他也同意，这样一来凯尔特人就不得不放走很多主要资产或者年轻的核心球员。

[–]thedailynathan 74 指標 3小時前

Yes, but, look at who"s next on the list:

#3 OKC #4 Miami Heat #5 Washington Wizards #6 Milwaukee Bucks #7 Detroit Pistons #8 New Orleans Pelicans

http://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/

虽然在理，但是看看谁还在这份薪水排名上吧：

3. 俄克拉荷马雷霆队 4.迈阿密热火队 5.华盛顿奇才队 6.密尔沃基雄鹿队 7.底特律活塞队 8.新奥尔良鹈鹕队

数据来源：http://www.basketball-reference.com/contracts/

The other big contenders that are nipping at their heels? Rockets are at #10. Spurs at #15. Celtics are at #16 (which includes Kyrie/Hayward who didn"t even play). 76ers are at #22.

而其他真正的争冠球队的薪水排第几呢? 火箭排在第10，马刺排在第15，凯尔特人排在第16（而且队里的欧文和海沃德根本没在季后赛中出场），76人排在第22。

Hard cap would honestly destroy many more middling/good franchises than hurt superteams. You"ll end up with more of a race to discard vets and go for as many cheap rookie breakouts as possible, like we see in the NFL.

与让超级球队伤筋动骨相比，硬性工资帽的出台其实更能摧毁掉那些实力不俗的中层球队。他们不得不大规模地裁掉老将，同时尽其所能追求大量廉价新秀，就如我们目前在橄榄球联盟里见到的那样。

[–]nerdeagle2424 88 指標 3小時前

This punishes good drafting. Let"s be honest. What happened with the warriors was a side-effect of the one time cap spike. It is very unlikely anything like this will happen again. I feel that the system they have in place now is good

如果要设定硬工资帽，这实际上惩罚的是优秀的选秀策略。我们实话实说吧，勇士的成功是2016年工资帽大涨的副作用罢了。这种事情很有可能再也不会发生了。我觉得NBA目前的制度还算不错啦。

[–][GSW] Andre Iguodalaw34ksaUce 447 指標 4小時前

Doubt players will go for it - Hard cap means more money for super stars, less money for role players.

勇士球迷：我觉得球员们也不会欢迎这项规则的出台—硬性工资帽意味着超级球星们能拿到更多的钱，角色球员们的荷包就得相应地变瘪了。

[–]Warriors Bandwagonanimebop 49 指標 3小時前

Only if we also get rid of the max contract

勇士球迷：NBA要是也废除了顶薪合同，楼上假设的情况才会出现。

[–]CelticsMexter-Dorgan 64 指標 2小時前

max contracts are so stupid. If a team wants to shell out more, they should be able to. Why would a player want to get paid 150 mil and then play for the Magic when they could get paid 150 mil and play for the Heat. The Magic should be allowed to pay a bunch more if they want to grab FAs and the player can decide, "less money, better team? or less team, better money?"

凯尔特人球迷：顶薪合同真的蠢到家了。如果一支球队想大肆地花钱，你就应该让他们去花。你想想啊，当一名球员明明可以在热火拿到1亿5千万的薪水，他为什么要在同等的薪水条件下选择为魔术打球呢？魔术这样的球队就应该被允许支付给球员多得多的薪水，只要他们愿意为签约自由球员这事儿付出代价。这样一来球员们就可以做出选择：“更少的薪水和更好的球队”还是“更好的薪水和偏弱的球队”?

[–][CHI] Derrick Rosepakidude17 30 指標 2小時前

While I"m all for eliminating max salaries, the major argument against it is that if a team shells out 50% of their cap for one guy, and he underperforms/has career altering injuries, then that team is royally screwed. That might create some messy situations, but it would also cause FOs to be way more cautious on the contracts they give out.

公牛球迷：虽然我双手双脚赞成取消顶薪合同，但我知道一个很强力的反驳观点就是如果一支球队愿意把自己薪金空间的一半都掏出来给一位球员，一旦这名球员打得不好或者遭遇了影响到职业生涯的重大伤病，那这支球队可真的是彻彻底底的玩完了。所以规则的更改或许会造成一些极度棘手的局面产生，但同时，这也会使球队的管理层在处理合同问题时更加小心翼翼。

But the benefits outweigh the cons imo. Let the market decide players" worth to bring some parity back.

所以我觉得取消顶薪合同的好处要比坏处更多一些。还是让市场来决定球员们的价值吧，这样会一定程度上缩小球队的实力差距。

[–]CelticsMexter-Dorgan 40 指標 2小時前

well the GMs should be more accountable and not be fucking stupid hahhaha

凯尔特人球迷：可不嘛，总经理们自然要更谨慎更负责一点，别再那么容易犯蠢了哈哈哈。

[–]Warriorstogas73 161 指標 3小時前

Players like the soft cap because teams have to give big raises to star players (and go over the cap) in order to keep them from simply going to a team who happens to have more cap space.

勇士球迷：球员们更喜欢软性工资帽，因为，球队为了把明星球员留在队中而不是眼睁睁看着他们加入别的薪金空间更充足的球队这一简单的理由，就不得不给他们提供大幅的涨薪（过帽工资）。

If there were a hard cap, players would have to choose between staying (and taking a pay cut) or taking big money to play for a (typically) bad team. With a soft cap they can get big money AND keep playing for the team they like.

如果有硬性工资帽，球员们就不得不在留队（同时降薪），和拿到大合同（一般来说是屈身于弱队）中做出艰难的选择。而目前软性工资帽的实施，保证了球星们既可以拿到大合同也能为自己喜欢的球队效力。。

Team would give out less "risky" contracts if they had to stay under the cap. Team would be quickly dump or cut "iffy" role players. Right now, with a soft cap, teams that are over the cap can STILL overpay and re-sign "iffy" players to more money than they"d get on the open market, because those team are already over the cap, and they could never replace that player.

硬性工资帽的存在，会使得球队为了不过帽而在送出合同时更加谨慎。与此同时，表现飘忽不定的角色球员会被迅速抛弃。而现在，在软性工资帽的作用下，那些已经过帽的球队可以继续过度支付以及续签那些不稳定的球员，这些球员得到的薪水实际上远高于他们理应得到的市场价。而这些事情的起因就是这些球队已经过帽了，没法再去用新的球员替代他们了。

While there"s a cap in theory (and a salary floor as well) that is something like 50% of basketball revenues, the reality is that the players, as a whole, get a lot more than that because most teams end up going over the cap.

目前的情况下是理论上存在工资帽（以及穷鬼线），而且还占总篮球收益的50%左右。但实际的情况是，球员们作为一个整体，获取的收益要比50%高上太多，因为大多数球队最后都会过帽。

[–]Warriorsraorao 48 指標 4小時前*

if the NBA moved to a hard cap, get ready for the league to get younger and less skilled. the current regime incentivizes re-signing your own vets, and building over the long term. A hard cap means that it"s almost always more effective to cut your vets and replace them in the draft.

如果NBA真的想实施硬性工资帽的政策，那NBA估计会更年轻，技术水平也会更差。目前的政策鼓励球队续签自己的老将球员，并且为自己的长期计划考虑。硬性工资帽的实施意味着最有效的建队思路往往是放弃你的老将球员，通过新秀来弥补他们的位置。

The NFL"s hard cap means that there are like 3 good offensive lines left in the league, and IMO has made the game waaaaay harder to watch.

橄榄球联盟的硬性工资帽致使整个联盟大概只有3条说得过去的进攻线，在我看来，这真的让比赛变得难看许多。