詹姆斯季后赛比常规赛场均多得7.4分,克拉克森和胡德跳水严重

[OC] Lebrons 2018 playoff run up to this point is by far the hardest anyone has ever carried a team to the Finals and in the Finals. 

【原创内容】截至目前,2018季后赛的勒布朗打出了历史上带领球队进入总决赛的球星中最为孤胆英雄的表现。

詹姆斯季后赛比常规赛场均多得7.4分,克拉克森和胡德跳水严重




My data only goes back 35 years but he"s so far ahead it"s probably safe to assume.

我的数据只能追溯到最早35年前的比赛,但他的领先优势实在是太大了,所以这么推测应该也没什么问题。

I collected data for every player to play in the Finals since 1984. I took the 2 stats that attempt to rate a players overall impact( Wins shares and VORP) and for the top player on every team found his percentage of his teams total. I used postseason stats only from basketball reference.

我搜集了1984年以来每一位参与总决赛球员的表现数据。我采用了两项数据去衡量一个球员的综合影响力(胜利贡献值和VORP

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),同时对于每个球队最好的球员,我计算了他们的贡献的占球队的比重。数据来源于Basketball-Reference提供的季后赛数据。

[译注1]:VORP,Value Over Replacement Player,该球员与可替换球员的绝对价值差。公式很复杂,大体上意思就是该球员在球场上起到的作用,与联盟该位置平均水平的球员的差异。



The average VORP % was significantly higher than the average WS% and I wanted WS and VORP to have equal weight. So I multiplied the VORP score by average(WS)/average(VORP) than added the VORP and WS percentages together to come up with the combined score.

由于平均的VORP百分值比胜利贡献值高出许多,我希望这两个指标拥有相同的权重从而避免数据淹没。因此我将VORP得分乘上了(平均胜利贡献值/平均VORP值),在这之后,又加上了VORP和胜利贡献值百分比。由此,构建出了我自己衡量球员表现的综合评判得分。

Here"s the top 50 along with a more detailed look at the top 10.

这里是我的球员综合评判得分前十名单:

詹姆斯季后赛比常规赛场均多得7.4分,克拉克森和胡德跳水严重




edit: The games column is off. When I was combining the WS and Vorp data the games column multiplied by 2.

补充:比赛数那一栏有些小失误,我在构造综合评判得分的过程中把比赛数全部乘了2。

[–]penguin8717 203 指標 9小時前 

That is an absurd gap between him and second place. Which is also him.

詹姆斯跟第二名的差距也太特么大了。哦顺便说一下第二名也是詹姆斯。

[–]Ididthemaths0[S] 252 指標 9小時前 

1st to 2nd gap is larger than 2nd to 50th.

Also every one of Lebrons finals appearances is top 25.

第一名和第二名之间的差距甚至比第二名与第五十名的差距还大。

同时,勒布朗只要打进总决赛,他的整体季后赛表现都进入了历史前25。(07、11年至今)

[–]76ershardlyRedditing 200 指標 11小時前 

Why doesn’t AI show up on this list? I think he carried quite a bit, but maybe game score /VORP don’t reflect that for some reason?

76人球迷:为啥艾弗森没有出现在排名之中?我觉得我艾很是carry了一波啊,也许是因为比赛得分/VORP这样一个计算方式没法反映出我艾的贡献?

[–]CavaliersSaxRohmer 35 指標 7小時前* 

He was on a crazy defensive team with a 6MOTY. He was basically the offense and had a little bit more help but also doesn’t fill up the box score like LeBron so box score derived stats won’t love him as much.

骑士球迷:艾弗森当年所处的球队(2001年76人)是一直非常强的防守球队,同时还有当季最佳第六人。不过艾弗森确实基本上是76人的全部,在进攻端他得到的帮助也的确很少,但他同时也没有像我詹一样把数据栏的每一项都填的满满当当,所以这种全面地利用到数据栏中每一项数据而推出的评价体系不太待见艾弗森也是正常的。

[–]Ididthemaths0[S] 261 指標 11小時前 

It"s because WS and VORP take defensive contributions in to account and that year Dikembe Mutumbo had a monster stat line defensively with 13.7 rebounds and 3.1 blocks to go along with 13.9 points.

楼主:这是因为胜利贡献值和VORP将防守贡献也计入了考量标准之中,而当年的穆大叔打出了疯狂的防守端数据:13.7板+3.1冒。而且场均还进账13.9分。

[–]Warriorstrbografx 254 指標 11小時前 

I"ll take your username as enough proof that this is accurate.

勇士球迷:鉴于你的用户名,我可以确信你提供的数据一定非常准确。(楼主的用户名为I did the maths:我做数学啦)

[–]76ershardlyRedditing 80 指標 10小時前 

Interesting! I guess it means that despite all of Skip’s complaints that Lebron isn’t giving it on the defensive end, it’s clearly more than sufficient for a record setting performance.

(还是上面的76人球迷):因吹斯听!我猜这意味着,尽管Skip Bayless(第一詹黑)一直在抱怨老詹没打出多NB的防守,但他的防守已经足够让自己本届季后赛的比赛创造历史纪录了。

[–]Spursx_TDeck_x 124 指標 10小時前 

To be fair to Skip, Lebron"s defense is probably one of Skip"s less egregious opinions.

卖出球迷:有一说一,关于勒布朗在防守端表现的评价可能是Skip难得的有点道理的言论了。

[–]Pacers BandwagonWhiteHeterosexualGuy 62 指標 6小時前 

Yeah, defensive stats aren"t great at showing how good of D you"re playing. Lebron will get a couple blocks a game but half the time his effort isn"t very high. You could get 10 steals a game and get caught trying to steal/get blown by for easy buckets 50 times and you"d have an absurdly good defensive rating according to these stats.

是的,防守端数据并不能比较准确地反映出一名球员的防守态度如何。勒布朗可能在一场比赛里送出好几个精彩大冒,但他大半的时间都没有在防守端投入太多的体力。你可能会在一场比赛中狂砍10记抢断,但也会因冒险抢断或者被轻松过掉让对手轻松打进50多个篮,但你的防守数据却会非常好看。

[–][WAS] Andray Blatcheyeontura 29 指標 7小時前 

The real hardest road. Take it KD

奇才球迷:这是真正最艰难的路啊。杜兰特学着点。

[–]Kings Tankwagonkorenj619 35 指標 6小時前 

Tim Duncan’s advanced defensive stats are actually insane

国王球迷:邓肯的高阶防守数据简直非人类。

[–]SupersonicsPyroteknik 14 指標 4小時前 

Duncan in 2003 had the highest WS, narrowly besting 2012 LeBron.

马刺球迷:邓肯在2003年的总决赛中有着最高的胜利贡献值,略胜2012年的勒布朗一筹。

Lebron James has the largest positive change in PPG from the regular season to the playoffs (+7.4 PPG). The largest negative change? Rodney Hood and Jordan Clarkson (-9 and -10.1 PPG) 

勒布朗-詹姆斯的季后赛比常规赛场均多得了7.4分,为联盟涨幅之最。猜猜联盟跳水最严重的选手是谁?乔丹-克拉克森和罗德尼-胡德,他俩场均分别少得9分与10.1分)

詹姆斯季后赛比常规赛场均多得7.4分,克拉克森和胡德跳水严重


LBJ has gone from 27.5 PPG to 34.9PPG in the playoffs. He"s followed by John Wall, D Rose (!), Dwayne Wade (!), and of course, Scary Terry.

在场均得分提升纪录榜上,勒布朗领衔榜首,他从常规赛的27.5分提升到了季后赛的34.9分。在他之后,是约翰-沃尔、德里克-罗斯(惊不惊喜?)、德维恩-韦德(意不意外!)以及,毫无疑问的、众望所归的:特里-罗齐尔。

Hood, Clarkson, Whiteside and Ryan Anderson have been the worst performers compared to the regular season, followed closely by Jimmy Butler and KAT.

而胡德、克拉克森、白边以及莱恩-安德森,则分别荣膺季后赛软脚虾榜的一二三四位。在他们之后紧紧跟随的是这一殊荣的强力竞争者吉米-巴特勒以及唐斯。

Data is from players with more than 4 games played (for all players with at least 1 game, Al-Farouq Aminu is the #1). Data from 

数据来源于所有至少打了四场季后赛的球员中。(对于所有出战过季后赛最少一场的球员,阿米奴则位列得分提升记录榜榜首,从常规赛的9.3到季后赛的17.3分)。数据来源:

http://www.basketball-reference.com/playoffs/NBA_2018_per_game.html. 

if you want to play around with the numbers in my spreadsheet let me know and I"ll share.

如果你需要我再鼓捣出点啥别的数据,请留言,我会给你分享。

[–]Timberwolvesnjm1602 522 指標 10小時前 

Hood, Clarkson, and Ryan Anderson have been the worst performers compared to the regular season closely followed by Jimmy Butler and KAT

“而胡德、克拉克森、白边以及莱恩-安德森,则分别荣膺季后赛软脚虾榜的一二三四位。在他们之后紧紧跟随的是这一殊荣的强力竞争者吉米-巴特勒以及唐斯。”

no u

森林狼球迷:求求你别说了。

[–]PM_ME_YOUR_HOT_DISH 111 指標 7小時前 

Wolves never stop hurting me.

森林狼在让我伤心这一点上从没让我失望过。

[–]Celticsbustedracquet 946 指標 13小時前

Jordan Clarkson has a -9.2 BPM in the playoffs lmao. What"s hilarious is the lion share of negativeness comes on offense, and not defense, contrary to popular thought, his splits are -1.6 on defense, and -7.6 on offense.

Oh, Rodney Hood"s not much better, -6.7 BPM.

凯尔特人球迷:乔丹-克拉克森的季后赛真实正负值值是令人震惊的-9.2,真是笑尿我了。值得一提的是,与大家印象中不同,克拉克森的主要负作用来源是进攻端而非防守端。克拉克森的进攻端正负值是-7.6,防守端则是-1.6。

嘿,胡德你别笑,你也没好哪儿去,恭喜你喜提-6.7的真实正负值。

Hill and Nance have been good so those trades weren"t complete disasters, but holy shit, Clarkson and Hood have been atrocious, and they still have Clarkson on the books for 2 more years. Lakers have to be laughing their asses off they got the Cavs first rounder in that deal.

希尔和南斯目前的表现都还很不错,所以现在看来赛季中期的那笔交易也并不完全是灾难性的。但我的老天爷呀,克拉克森和胡德的表现简直惨不忍睹。而骑士甚至还要继续吃下克拉克森的两年合同。湖人用克拉克森就换来了骑士的首轮签,估计他们这会儿笑掉大牙了。

[–]Cavaliersdkwunw 366 指標 13小時前 

It’s difficult to even comprehend how awful a -9.2 BPM is. That has to be close to the worst of all time for a player getting significant minutes right?

骑士球迷:很难想象-9.2的真实正负值到底有多么可怕,真的无法想象。这大概是在NBA历史上,任何一个获得了足够上场时间的球员能打出的最辣鸡的表现了吧?

[–]Celticsbustedracquet 484 指標 12小時前 

I think Zach Lowe put it perfectly when he said PJ Tucker"s ass has provided more value in the playoffs than Jordan Clarkson.

凯尔特人球迷:Zach Lowe(ESPN第一分析师)表示P.J-塔克的大腚在季后赛的贡献都完爆克拉克森,真是一阵见血。

[–][DAL] Dirk NowitzkiLogansGambit 134 指標 9小時前 

Are we talking about his literal behind or him as a whole cause I"d say now easily P.J. Tucker is a better player.

额,我们是单纯的在讨论塔克的后庭还是他这个球员?因为P.J-塔克毫无疑问地是一名比克拉克森更好的球员啊。

[–][NYK] Kristaps Porzingisthemanster29 185 指標 9小時前 

THE reference was to the back side of one P.J Tucker

说的是就塔克的大腚没毛病。

[–][LAL] Brandon Ingramsuperdankleo16 89 指標 10小時前 

Lol rose and wade with a +5. Never understood why they didn’t keep at least one of them.

湖人球迷:hhh,罗斯和韦德的真实正负值都是+5。我真的到现在都不是很懂骑士为什么不留下他俩,留下一个也行啊!

[–]76ersBloodBath718 63 指標 7小時前 

I think Rose was solid when he played. Like switch him for Clarkson n the Cavs would be so much better off

我记得罗斯在骑士上场的时候打得很好啊。真的,把克拉克森换成罗斯,现在骑士的状况会好得多。

[–][NBA] Lebron JamesPUSHAxC 33 指標 5小時前 

Literally switch Clarkson for nothing & the cavs would be better off. He has been egregiously bad throughout the playoffs this year

骑士球迷:讲道理,把克拉克森换成空气骑士都能比现在打得更好。用灾难已经不足以形容他今年季后赛的表现了。

[–]Chrosss 178 指標 11小時前 

But Clarkson will be good next year when the cavs are trash. He"ll get 14 points a game on average efficiency

等到下赛季骑士变成垃圾球队的时候,克拉克森就重出江湖了。他会用中不溜求的效率砍下场均14分。

[–]Celticsbustedracquet 206 指標 11小時前 

He’ll be an amazing tank commander for them next season.

凯尔特人球迷:下个赛季克拉克森将为骑士扮演摆烂指挥官的角色。

[–][MIA] Hassan Whitesideonlyonegoodone 66 指標 10小時前 

First Lieutenant Clarkson

中尉克拉克森。

[–]76ersHelreaver 88 指標 11小時前 

He was a negative asset and the Lakers actually got something for him. No idea if that says more about the Lakers or Cavs front office.

克拉克森在湖人的时候就是笔负资产,然而湖人居然还用他换来了不少东西。我不知道这笔操作是说明湖人管理层NB呢,还是骑士管理层SB呢。

[–]Cavalierslittlekenney13 131 指標 10小時前 

I think it says a lot about the state of the Cavs at the time. They were trading for the concept of what those guys could be, not what they actually are.

骑士球迷:我觉得这很大程度上说明了骑士当时的状况。骑管那会儿做交易的思路是“他可以成为一名怎样的球员”,而不是“他到底是名怎样的球员。”

[–]alberchapu[S] 255 指標 13小時前 

Important to take into account that Hood and Clarkson"s averages were computed over the whole year (their averages in the Lakers and Jazz were higher than their PPG in the Cavs), which influences their decrease in performance.

楼主:必须要强调的一点是,胡德和克拉克森的场均得分以整年为单位计算的,这也就是说他们在交易前的数据也被计算在内。而他们的湖人/爵士时期的场均得分比骑士时要高很多,这也影响了他们在我主楼列出的数据中的下滑。

Regardless, there"s been a clear dip in their performance (Clarkson"s average PPG in the Cavs wasn"t that much lower than in the Lakers, but Hood was recording 6PPG less in Cleveland)

无论如何,他们的表现确实出现了相当程度的下滑。(克拉克森在骑士时期的场均得分没比在湖人时低多少,但胡德在骑士却场均少得了6分)

[–]JazzVordeo 403 指標 11小時前 

Man, I hate what"s happened to Rodney. Dude was averaging 17ppg when we traded him, and we made that trade in large part because we didn"t think we"d be able to match whatever he was going to get offered in RFA. Cavs (or whoever) have ruined the guy.

爵士球迷:大兄弟,我真为胡德感到惋惜!当我们交易他时,他场均砍下17分,我们交易他的原因是我们觉得自己无法匹配他在自由市场上可能获得的合同。骑士(或者其他随便什么别的因素)毁了他。

Some team (probably the Spurs or Celtics) is going to pick him up for cheap during the offseason and they"ll have themselves a freaking bargain.

其他球队(比如说凯尔特人或者马刺)将在休赛期便宜的截下胡德,然后他们会发现自己大赚了一笔。

[–]Thunderintertron 283 指標 11小時前 

Didn’t Rodney ruin himself? How is it the Cavs fault? They have played him more than I would have.

雷霆球迷:难道不是胡德自己毁了自己吗?怎么又变成骑士的错了?如果是我的话,我甚至根本不会给胡德这么多机会。

[–]JazzVordeo 154 指標 11小時前 

I don"t know, maybe it"s the locker room or the system they play? They"ve turned a dude who was having a pretty good season as a reliable scoring option into a guy who can"t even get playing time for a team with a relatively weak bench. Dude"s not the strongest mentally, but this decline is pretty ridiculous.

爵士球迷:我不知道,也许是更衣室元素或者是球队体系的问题?骑士把胡德从一个打出了出色表现的值得球队信赖的得分点变成了一个甚至无法在板凳上捞到稳定出场时间的球员,而且骑士的替补阵容还更差。胡德确实没有足够强的心理素质,但这样的下滑未免有些荒谬了。

[–][BOS] Kendrick PerkinsCBFball 1748 指標 13小時前 

So trading Kyrie Irving for Rodney Hood, Clarkson, Nance, George Hill, and the 8th pick wasn"t great for the Cavs?

凯尔特人球迷:所以,看来用欧文换来胡德+克拉克森+南斯+焦志喜+首轮八号签不是啥妙棋啦?

[–]Celticsredotter2 2276 指標 13小時前 

I mean, Kyrie’s ppg in the playoffs this year took a bigger dive than any of those guys...

凯尔特人球迷:讲道理,欧文今年季后赛的跳水下滑比上榜的任意一个球员都要惨烈。

[–]Celticseroddyrod 1010 指標 13小時前 

Dude was invisible on the court

凯尔特人球迷:欧文在场上完全隐身了。

[–][CLE] Shawn KempAlphasim 430 指標 12小時前 

It was like he wasn"t even there.

骑士球迷:就好像,他都不在场上一样!

[–]Nugur 191 指標 11小時前 

He"s there.just so trained in moving so slow that you can"t see him.

他是在场上的。只不过他通过严格的训练让自己的动作如此之慢,让你感觉仿佛看不见他一样!

[–]THE_REFERENCE_MAKER 105 指標 11小時前 

Hi Drax!

嘿Drax!~

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[译注2]:以上两段来源于妇联3德雷克斯和螳螂妹的梗,德雷克斯说自己受过专业训练,只要将很慢很慢地行动,就能够隐身不被人察觉,然后再下一秒被路过的螳螂妹打了个招呼秒打脸。



[–]RanBobandy 82 指標 13小時前 

I"d say it was a pretty great trade actually considering the circumstances.

考虑到当时的情形,我觉得那确实是笔好交易。

[–]KnicksPlebsplease 142 指標 13小時前 

Well they got to the championship

“但他们打进了总决赛啊。”

This is the answer you always see. Which is a crap answer because LeBron was going to drag anyone on his team to the NBA finals. Cavs got hosed on that trade.

大伙儿总能看到这样的回答,但这样的回答毫无道理,因为勒布朗带着我奶奶都能打进总决赛。骑士队就是搞砸了这笔交易。

[–]ramblin_gamblin 151 指標 12小時前 

Jordan Clarkson is literally missing every shot he takes and turns out Rodney Hood has bubble guts. They"re getting chances and shitting on themselves.

克拉克森真是实打实的投丢了每一个球……而胡德则是精神上的侏儒。他们有机会表现,但完全吓尿裤子 。

[–]KnicksPlebsplease 80 指標 13小時前 

Playing near 48 minutes almost every game will do that.

每场比赛打接近48分钟,不上涨也难啊。

[–]76ersmoby323 146 指標 10小時前 

What’s interesting about Jordan compared to Lebron is that (in part because he focuses on an all-around game) Lebron has only won one scoring title, and that was a decade ago. Jordan won 10 regular season scoring titles.

关于乔丹和勒布朗的比较中很有趣的一点是乔丹获得了10次常规赛得分王,而勒布朗(虽然部分原因是因为勒布朗的表现更为全面)只在10年前拿下过一次。

Yet when LeBron gets to the playoffs it’s like he has this whole other gear for scoring, his offensive game expands and he absolutely becomes one of the best post-season scorers in history.

然而到了季后赛之时,勒布朗仿佛打开了得分开关一样,完全进入了进攻模式,他的进攻表现全面进化,并且毫无疑问地成为了季后赛史上最棒得分手之一。

I mean if you want to talk about a player who steps up when his team really needs him, I don’t see how anyone can say LeBron isn’t one of the best examples in the history of sport.

如果要讨论哪位球员能在球队需要之时勇敢站出来,那我必须得说,勒布朗真的是体育史上最典型的范例之一。

詹姆斯季后赛比常规赛场均多得7.4分,克拉克森和胡德跳水严重


詹姆斯季后赛比常规赛场均多得7.4分,克拉克森和胡德跳水严重

詹姆斯季后赛比常规赛场均多得7.4分,克拉克森和胡德跳水严重