骑士和绿军都进了东部决赛，欧文是否证明了自己的价值？欧文为了证明自己并成为老大而离开克利

Kyrie left Cleveland to prove his worth and be the man, since then both teams have made the ECF without him.

欧文为了证明自己并成为老大而离开克利夫兰（而来到凯尔特人），然而两支队伍都在没有他的情况下杀入了东部决赛。

Now I’m not making an indictment on Kyries game. He’s clearly valuable as a scorer against elite defenses on the biggest stage. I just think it’s funny that he’s still in sort of a Kawhi-Popp situation now. We all acknowledge he’s a good player but most of the credit for the teams success will go to Brad. Maybe he doesn’t care though and he just wanted to get out of LeBron’s shadow.

先声明，我不是在诋毁欧文的能力，很明显，欧文在最大的舞台（总决赛）上面对精英级别的防守的得分能力价值连城。但是搞笑的是他似乎陷入了伦纳德-波波一样的尴尬处境。我们都知道欧文很出色，但是大多数人将球队这赛季的成绩归功于史蒂文斯。不过可能欧文并不在乎这种看法，可能他只是脱离勒布朗的阴影。

[–]Rocketsnot_so_bueno 126 指標 7小時前

Let"s neglect that he played a big role in getting them HCA, which proved vital against Milwaukee...

火箭球迷：首轮对阵雄鹿，凯尔特人的主场优势可是帮了大忙的，咱可别忘了欧文为此做出的巨大贡献啊。

[–]Celticsvagrantwade 430 指標 8小時前

We didn"t win a single road game in round 1 against the Bucks. So I"d prefer to have kept that 2 seed personally. And he played 60 of those games.

凯尔特人球迷：首轮对阵雄鹿的每一场客场比赛我们都输了，所以二号种子的身份对我们很重要，而且欧文可是打了60场常规赛啊。

[–]TimberwolvesBig_Brudder 93 指標 7小時前

What was the win% with Irving vs without?

凯尔特人有欧文和无欧文的胜率各是多少啊？

[–]Doctor_Greg_House 301 指標 7小時前

14-8 without Irving (63% win rate)

41-19 with Irving (68% win rate)

Sample without him is so tiny though that if they"d just won 1 more game, they"d have a 68% win rate without him.

Possibly more meaningful... In the last 18 games of the season, Celts had a +1.8 average margin vs. a +3.6 average margin for the season.

欧文缺席，球队14胜8负（63%胜率）

欧文出战，球队41胜19负（68%胜率）

不过欧文不在场的样本数量太少，再多赢一场，凯尔特人无欧文的胜率就也来到68%了。

不过有个数据可能比较有意义：绿凯最后十八场场均赢1.8分，但是赛季场均赢3.6分。

[–]EastSweetAlpacaLove 233 指標 6小時前

Plus we all know that Kyrie is a different monster in the playoffs.

而且我们都知道季后赛的欧文是跟常规赛完全不同的野兽。

[–]Hawksjumboponcho 314 指標 8小時前

Kyrie"s still one of the 4-5 guys who can get 40-50 on his own against great playoff defense. That"s his worth

当今联盟中只有四五名球员能在季后赛级别的防守下凭借一己之力砍下四五十分，而欧文就是其中之一。这就是他的价值所在。

[–]Pacers BandwagonAskYouEverything 89 指標 5小時前

Right. Kyrie is that prolific scorer that takes a great team and makes them a championship level team. Being able to create a decent look any time you want is invaluable.

步行者球迷：楼上正解，欧文作为一名顶级的得分手能够帮助一个优秀的球队达到争冠水平。在任何时候都能创造不错的出手机会的能力是无价之宝啊。

[–]CavaliersPootieTooGood 2043 指標 8小時前

this is missing the point entirely but still pretty funny. Guess we"ll have to see where they get with him next year, assuming he stays healthy

骑士球迷：主楼没说到点子上，不过真的挺逗的。所以我们可能得等到下赛季，看看绿军在欧文的带领下能走多远了（假设欧文保持健康）。

[–]WizardsTwinTree 1579 指標 7小時前

LeBron should troll him and sign with the Celtics.

奇才球迷：詹姆斯应该为了调戏欧文直接跟绿军签约。

[–]RaptorsThe_Buddhist_Prodigy 1131 指標 7小時前

Ha. Ha. Ha

猛龙球迷：呵呵哒。

[–]CelticsDONTW0RRIES 781 指標 6小時前

Hey, that would be fun. We could finally play you guys in the playoffs!

凯尔特人球迷：哎你别说，这还挺有意思的，这样一来咱俩队终于能在季后赛斗个你死我活了！

[–]RaptorsSmurfBearPig 868 指標 6小時前

Pretty sure we played ourselves.

猛龙球迷：不存在的，我龙永远是跟别人斗个你活我死。

[–][PHI] Nikola Vucevicshotrob 72 指標 6小時前

Suicide is never the answer my friend

76人球迷：朋友，自杀永远不是问题的答案。

[–]Knickstoughboy 60 指標 6小時前

But sometimes it is.

尼克斯球迷：但有时候，它就是答案。

[译注1]

[译注1]模仿马特-巴恩斯的至理名言（针对费舍尔）：“暴力永远不是问题的答案，但有时候，它就是答案。”

[–][BOS] Jaylen BrownOrangeKookie 129 指標 7小時前

kyrie might jump off the earth

"YOURE NOT MY DAD"

凯尔特人球迷：欧文估计会气得从地球边缘跳下去

[译注2]：

“你又不是我爸！”[译注3]

[译注2]欧文的地平说梗。

[译注3]有记者曾问欧文“詹姆斯父亲的角色扮演的怎么样”，欧文不太喜欢这个问题，据传后来欧文离队有部分原因是不喜欢外界把自己当成詹姆斯的儿子/不喜欢詹姆斯像教育儿子似的教育自己。

[–]Cavaliersbby_gem 171 指標 7小時前*

As a huge LeBron fan who respects the shit out of Brad and loves Tatum, LeBron would 3 peat if he joined the Celtics and that’s no overstatement

If he stayed healthy he would 3 peat

骑士球迷：作为勒布朗铁粉，我很尊敬史蒂文斯教练，也特别喜欢塔特姆。如果我詹真的去了绿凯，那么毫无疑问会拿到三连冠，这丝毫不夸张。

只要老詹保持健康，三连冠就是板上钉钉。

[–]Celticsphluidity 120 指標 6小時前

Hell, even if he got injured that team would make the finals if they didn"t have to face LeBron. With LeBron the only question is if they could go fo-fo-fo-fo or not.

凯尔特人球迷：（如果詹姆斯真来了凯尔特人）艹，还有就是，就算詹姆斯受伤了，绿凯也能打进总决赛，毕竟不用与詹姆斯为敌了啊。队内有詹姆斯，绿凯唯一要考虑的就是能不能连续四轮4-0横扫夺冠了。

[–]colosusx1 163 指標 6小時前

Kyrie, Lebron, Hayward and Horford are all-stars. Brown, Smart, Rozier, Tatum, Morris, Theis and potentially Baynes or Baynes-like replacement is a better bench that what GSW have. In this make-believe scenario, I think the Celtics would be favored.

欧文，勒布朗，海沃德和霍弗德都是全明星。布朗、斯马特、罗齐尔、塔特姆、莫里斯、泰斯还有可能的贝恩斯/贝恩斯型的替代球员组成的替补阵容甚至比勇士的还要好。在这种YY的情况下，凯尔特人应该是冠军最大热门。

[–]-Strictor 138 指標 5小時前

Lmao how hilarious would it be if Ainge traded Kyrie back to Cleveland for Lebron?

安吉要是把欧文交易回克利夫兰换来詹姆斯就搞笑了哈哈哈哈。

[–]KingofMangoes 864 指標 8小時前

Kyrie has already proven his worth as a #1 pick, he just wants to get out of Lebron"s shadow

欧文已经证明了自己作为状元秀的价值，他现在只是想逃离詹姆斯的阴影。

[–]Knicksaromaticsubrxn 618 指標 7小時前

Kyrie confirmed to be Neymar

欧文就是活脱脱的内马尔啊。

[–]CavaliersScrogger19 366 指標 7小時前

Honestly very similar. Fantastic young players playing alongside the GOAT, will be the face of the franchise in 5 years but they want to forge their own paths and win on their own. I don"t really begrudge either of them it, although I do wish Kyrie had stayed.

骑士球迷：说实话确实很像，都是天才年轻球员，和史上最佳球员并肩作战。而且如果他们没有想开辟自己的道路，自己带队赢球的话，未来五年内他们均会成为各种球队的门面。我完全不怪欧文和内马尔做出自己的决定，但是我也真的很希望欧文当时选择留在骑士。

[–]Buckstheconfuserx2 264 指標 6小時前

Also both are known for their extremely flashy playstyles

而且他俩都以华丽的球风闻名呀。

[–]robdouth 165 指標 6小時前

And love of flat surfaces...

而……而且都喜欢平面……

[–]Bullsnigelfitz 75 指標 7小時前

It"s like Scottie wanting to go to another team and be the man. He could"ve and he almost took two teams to the Finals without Jordan too. He was just fine being behind MJ"s shadow and win them rings.

公牛球迷：这就好像皮蓬想要去另外一支队伍成为领袖并证明自己一样。在没有乔丹的情况下，他本可以而且确实差一点点就把两支不同的队伍带入总决赛了。但是他就乐于站在乔丹身后的阴影中，收割冠军戒指。

But now his legacy is being the legendary sidekicks of sidekicks. Even though some would argue that Scottie is top 50 player of all time and some even have said that he"s the LeBron prototype.

尽管有些人会说皮蓬是NBA历史前50的球员，甚至是詹姆斯的原型，但是现在谈起皮蓬，人们更多想到的还是二当家中的传奇典范。

I don"t think Kyrie wants to be known forever as the sidekick. Just like Kobe didn"t want to either. Mamba mentality.

我不觉得欧文想要作为詹姆斯身边的二当家被铭记。就像科比当初也不想（作为奥尼尔的二当家）一样。曼巴精神！

[–]CavaliersBaronriggs 128 指標 6小時前

There are people who don’t think pippen is top-50? The fuck?

骑士球迷：还有人觉得皮蓬不是NBA历史前50？玩呢？

[–]Bullsnigelfitz 86 指標 6小時前

Some people think he was just the sidekick that helped Jordan win.

Scottie was a fucking baller.

公牛球迷：有些人觉得皮蓬只是乔丹夺冠的帮手。

皮蓬可牛B的很啊。

[–]robdouth 65 指標 6小時前

I feel like him and James Worthy get similarly discredited. Like James Worthy is just some Robert Horry type role player. Dude was a finals MVP and as big a part of those showtime lakers as the other two HoF, but you only ever hear about Magic and Kareem. Dude put up 36/14/10 in a game 7 to save their series against the Pistons.

我觉得詹姆斯-沃西和皮蓬一样都被低估了。就像有人会说沃西就是个和霍里一样的角色球员。他可是总决赛MVP啊！也是湖人“Showtime”时期队内的重要角色，不比另外两个名人堂球员差多少。但是你只会听到别人在讨论魔术师和贾巴尔。要知道在对阵活塞的抢七中，沃西狂砍36+14+10才带领湖人艰难取胜。

[–]CelticsTelios 173 指標 8小時前

You see that 2 seed next to Boston? Kyrie earned that shit along with the rest of the guys over the course of the year. We don"t win that first round series without home-court, and we don"t send Philly reeling by punching them in the mouth early on in the series without it either.

凯尔特人球迷：看见我凯旁边“东部第二”的标识了吗？在常规赛，是欧文和其他球员挣到了这个名号。没有主场优势的话，首轮我们赢不了雄鹿，次轮我们也不会打得76人满地找牙。

[–]Spurssm_1994 205 指標 8小時前

If Kyrie can get them to the finals next year he has shown his value.

马刺球迷：如果欧文明年能带领球队杀入总决赛，那欧文就证明了自己的价值。

[–]robdouth 141 指標 6小時前

But if they get to the finals this year without him, then how do you really quantify that value? By your logic, the best thing for Kyrie is for Boston to not get their this year, and get their next year with him at the helm from a legacy standpoint

如果今年绿凯就进总决了喃？那怎么衡量欧文的价值？照你的逻辑的话，只有今年绿凯止步东决，然后明年在欧文带领下杀入总决赛才能说明欧文的价值吧（从历史地位的角度来看）。

[–]Heatmugiwara_92 121 指標 8小時前

The goal isn’t to get to the ECF in the East

It’s to beat whoever comes out of the West and you can be sure either team would love to have him when that time arrives.

热火球迷：不管是凯尔特人还是骑士，他们的目标都不仅仅是打进东决而已，而是打败从西部脱颖而出的对手。等到了总决赛，你就知道骑凯是多么想拥有他了。

Besides, Warriors and Rockets sure don’t mind not having to deal with the offensive pressure that Kyrie would put on their defenses.

另外，勇士和火箭肯定都偷着乐喃，因为不管是谁晋级，他们都不用烦心欧文会给他们带来的巨大防守压力了。