杜兰特后的榜眼都没进过全明星，拉塞尔和湖人双少等谁能破魔咒？杜兰特后的榜眼都没进过全明星

杜兰特后的榜眼都没进过全明星，拉塞尔和湖人双少等谁能破魔咒？

The last #2 pick to make an All-Star team was Kevin Durant (2007 draft)

上一个入选全明星的NBA榜眼还是凯文-杜兰特（2007年选秀）。

Every #2 pick since 2007 have not made an All-Star team in their careers yet.

2008: Michael Beasley

2009: Hasheem Thabeet

2010: Evan Turner

2011: Derrick Williams

2012: Michael Kidd-Gilchrist

2013: Victor Oladipo

2014: Jabari Parker

2015: D"Angelo Russell

2016: Brandon Ingram

2017: Lonzo Ball

2007年后的所有榜眼至今都没有入选过全明星呢。

2008年：迈克尔-比斯利

2009年：哈希姆-塔比特

2010年：埃文-特纳

2011年：德里克-威廉姆斯

2012年：迈克尔-基德-吉尔克里斯特

2013年：维克多-奥拉迪波

2014年：贾巴里-帕克

2015年：丹吉洛-拉塞尔

2016年：布兰登-英格拉姆

2017年：郎佐-鲍尔

[–][HOU] Stromile Swiftscrewt 539 指標 10小時前

Wow I forgot Derrick Williams was a #2 pick.

哇哦，我都忘了德里克-威廉姆斯也是榜眼了。

[–][BOS] Kyrie IrvingSektsioon 421 指標 10小時前

And people were bummed when Cavs chose Kyrie instead of Williams with the 1st pick and said the Cavs are going to regret it lol.

骑士用状元签选凯里-欧文的时候，球迷们还因为没选德里克-威廉姆斯而很失望呢，哈哈哈！

[–]KingsJDillaRIP 223 指標 8小時前

In all fairness he looked amazing in college, and Kyrie was coming off of an injury. I don"t blame people for convincing themselves that DWill would be the better player at the time. It reminds me of the DRose/Micheal Beasley situation, there was very little evidence that DRose would be THAT much better than Beasley entering the draft.

有一说一，德里克-威廉姆斯在大学里还是很出色的，而凯里-欧文当时则是大伤初愈。当时那些笃信威廉姆斯一定比欧文优秀的球迷，我也不怪他们。很像德里克-罗斯和迈克尔-比斯利的双雄局面，选秀前也没什么证据显示罗斯后来就会比比斯利强那么多。

[–][CLE] Kevin LoveSartuk 84 指標 8小時前

Man, I thought Kyrie was a great pick at the time but I also thought Derrick Williams was going to end up being the better player long term. I...well, I wasn"t very right there.

老哥，当时我是觉得欧文是个好选择，不过我也觉得长远来看德里克-威廉姆斯会成为更优秀的球员。哎… 看来我是犯错啦。

[–]Lakersxanot192 27 指標 8小時前

My issue was small PFs in college don"t turn out anymore and both Beasly and Dwill are from the same classy. Blake G was different to me cause he was bigger and had crazy hops

我觉得问题是大学里的没有多少小号大前锋能打出来了，比斯利和威廉姆斯又是同一类球员。对我来说格里芬是个例外，他更高大而且弹跳惊人。

[–]CavaliersDrunk_Logicist 62 指標 7小時前

Counterpoint: Draymond Green

反例：德雷蒙德-格林。

[–]CelticsBmart13 1047 指標 10小時前

At this pace Oladipo will be an all star and DLo and Ingram certainly have the potential.

照这个发展速度，奥拉迪波一定会成为全明星，拉塞尔和英格拉姆也绝对有全明星的潜力。

[–][MIL] Ish Smithwisconsinpackers 534 指標 9小時前

I"d say Jabari has potential too. He was putting up 20+ a game before his injury

我觉得贾巴里-帕克也有那个潜力，他受伤前场均20分以上呢。

[–]forbry 220 指標 8小時前

Man, I feel for Jabari. an injury right after rehab? But what I like is how positive he was still about coming back, he wasn"t negative at all. I respect that attitude.

哥们，我是真心疼贾巴里-帕克，刚伤愈就受伤啊！但我喜欢他对于回归的积极态度，一点都不消极，我尊敬这种态度。

[–][MIL] Ish Smithwisconsinpackers 75 指標 8小時前

He looks ready to come back soon but we"re going to hold him out until the all star break which is smart. I"m really hoping he doesn"t end up being a "what if" guy

雄鹿球迷：他看起来应该很快可以回归，不过我们还是会让他休战到全明星之后，这招应该算聪明。我真得不希望他到头来成为那种“如果他没伤就会…”的球员。

[–][CLE] Manny HarrisSwift_taco_mechanic 30 指標 8小時前

Honestly one of the best college/highschool players I have seen

实话实话，帕克是我见过最好的高中/大学球员之一。

[–]Jazzdank_as_fuck 38 指標 8小時前

Maybe a few years from now, the West is still stacked with absurd talent. Oladipo is probably a lock if he keeps playing like this

莺歌和拉塞尔？几年以后有可能。现在西部还是星光闪闪，全明星不好进啊。如果奥拉迪波一直这么打下去，他进全明星是稳了。

[–]Clipperscoachketchup 46 指標 7小時前

This is what I"ve been trying to tell people every time this topic comes up... Damien and Gobert couldn’t even make it last year and this year the west is much more competitive with Milsap, PG, Melo, Jimmy Butler, and Jokic is starting to enter the scene. Do we really think Ingram is gonna beat all of them to the ASG? Seems extremely unlikely until some of those players move out East. Thing is that you could make the argument that theyre all getting old a few years ago but thats not really the case anymore.

每次这个话题出来我都会告诉大家这点：利拉德和戈贝尔去年打那么好都没进全明星，而今年西部多了米尔萨普、保罗-乔治、安东尼和巴特勒，竞争会更加激烈，而且约基奇也越打越好了。你们真得觉得英格拉姆能先这些球员一步进入全明星赛吗？我觉得基本不可能，除非这些球员中哪位去了东部。你可以反驳说他们几年前就开始变老，不过真不是这回事儿。

[–]Raptorsfaithfuljohn 156 指標 7小時前*

It seems that #2 picks historically have been overall pretty bad. I was fascinated so I decided to look further into this and went back until 1978 to see the overall results.

So takeaways:

看起来历史上榜眼签好像都不太行啊，我震惊了，就查了查从1978至今的资料。做笔记了：

-out of the top picks, #2 do consistently worse. Surprisingly your better off at #3... for some strange reason.

-the clear #2 that do best in their class, often come because the #1 picks have been very clear busts (e.g. KD, Aldridge)

-the arguably 3 best draft classes (Jordan year, Lebron year & Kobe years) all had poorly selected #2 picks. With Camby (Kobe year) being the only one of those three who had a reasonable career.

1，所有高位签里，榜眼秀总体上都更差一些。令人惊讶的是，探花秀反而表现更好，原因不明。

2，榜眼里跟同级生比表现最好的那些，一般都是因为当年的状元秀都是水货（比如杜兰特，阿尔德里奇）

3，三个最好的选秀大年（乔丹1984年，詹姆斯2003年，科比1996年）都有一位选得很烂的榜眼，这里面只有1996年榜眼坎比的职业生涯还算看得过去。

Legend (B - bad pick, NA - no all-star, BL - bad pick & legend pick after, A - all-star/all-nba, H - hall of fame. (*) - untimely death).

For quick reading -- Italics denotes at least an All-star. Bold denotes clear best in class

注释：B-烂签，NA-未进全明星，BL-烂签后来打出来了，A-全明星/最佳阵容，H-名人堂，（*）-早逝，斜体代表至少进入全明星一次，粗体代表当年最好。

1978 菲尔-福特A

1979 大卫-格林伍德 NA

1980 达瑞尔-格里菲斯NA

1981 以赛亚-托马斯 H

1982 特里-康明斯A

1983 史蒂夫-斯蒂帕诺维奇BL

1984 萨姆-鲍威BL (乔丹当年)

1985 威曼-蒂斯戴尔 BL (卡尔-马龙，查尔斯-奥克利当年)

1986 伦-拜亚斯(*) BL (死于可卡因吸食过量，未出战NBA)

1987阿尔蒙-吉列姆 BL (皮蓬，魔术师约翰逊，雷吉米勒当年)

1988里克-施密茨A

1989丹尼-费里NA

1990 加里-佩顿 H

1991 肯尼-安德森A

1992 阿隆佐-莫宁H

1993 肖恩-布拉德利NA (哈达威，马什本当年)

1994 杰森-基德H

1995安东尼奥-麦克戴斯 A

1996 马库斯-坎比- NA/BL (马布里，雷阿伦，安托万-沃克，科比，斯托贾科维奇，纳什，奥尼尔当年)

1997基斯-范霍恩BL (比卢普斯，麦迪当年)

1998 迈克-毕比BL (卡特，贾米森，诺维茨基，皮尔斯当年)

1999 史蒂夫-弗朗西斯A

2000斯特罗迈尔-斯威夫特-NA

2001 泰森-钱德勒 - A (当年状元夸梅-布朗)

2002 杰-威廉姆斯 NA

2003 达科-米里西奇 BL (詹姆斯，安东尼，波什，韦德当年)

2004 埃梅卡-奥卡福NA

2005 马文-威廉姆斯BL (德隆-威廉姆斯，保罗当年)

2006 拉马库斯-阿尔德里奇A (当年状元安德里亚-巴尼亚尼)

edit: I know some people are saying that some of these issues weren"t there fault. I agree. Oden had bad knees, Len Bias untimely death. But this make it more interesting, because the same thing can be said of Sam Bowie. He had a 10 year career, but his downfall was his injuries.

编辑：我知道有些人觉得有些球员的问题不是他们自己的错，我也同意。奥登受了膝伤，伦-拜亚斯英年早逝等等。但这些让这事儿更有趣了，因为同样的评语也可以给萨姆-鲍威。他在NBA服役10年，是他的伤病打垮了他。

[–][LAL] Metta World Peaceendlesseuphoria 64 指標 6小時前

Much respect to everything that went into making this list. I take issue with one thing though and that"s that Len Bias was most likely going to be a great pick. I don"t think they really could have predicted a *河蟹*e overdose though.

致敬老哥做这张表付出的努力！我只对一个地方有异议，我觉得伦-拜亚斯非常可能会打出来。可卡因吸食过量真是GM无法预料的啊。

[–]New Jersey NetsFrigidevil 43 指標 6小時前

I feel like Bias deserves a little bit more of an asterisk than (never played a game). That"s the kind of remark you give someone like Frederic Weis, aka the guy VC dunked over in the Olympics (drafted #15 by the Knicks in 99, never played a game)

我觉得拜亚斯配得上更多评语，而不是一个星号。星号（代表英年早逝）是留给弗莱德里克-魏斯这种球员的，就是那位在奥运会上被卡特骑扣的法国球员（1999年尼克斯15号签，没打比赛）。

[–]Knicksvsela43 211 指標 10小時前

I think Jabari would have if he never got hurt

我觉得贾巴里-帕克如果没受伤的话本应该进全明星。

[–]Celticsabrooks1125 144 指標 10小時前

Jabari, DLo, Ingram, and Lonzo all still have plenty of chances.

贾巴里-帕克，拉塞尔，英格拉姆和鲍尔都还有大把机会呢。

[–]LakersTRASHTALKTHREADS 74 指標 9小時前

If Dipo continues to play like he does now he save some chances too

如果奥拉迪波一直这么打，他也有机会。

[–][SAC] Tyreke EvansRekeHavok 80 指標 10小時前

Men thats a lot of busts, Beasley, Thabeet, Williams, MKG

哇，水货可真多，比斯利，塔比特，威廉姆斯，还有迈克尔-基德-吉尔克里斯特。

[–]JazzCouragesand 50 指標 10小時前

MKG ain"t that bad

迈克尔-基德-吉尔克里斯特也没那么差劲啦。

[–][SAC] Tyreke EvansRekeHavok 104 指標 10小時前

Looking at the players taken after him, he"s underwhelming and underachieving as a no. 2 pick

看看排在他之后被选中的球员的表现吧，作为一个榜眼秀，迈克尔-基德-吉尔克里斯特表现平淡、也没有打出跟顺位相符的表现。

[–][CHA] Gerald WallaceDonEYeet 336 指標 10小時前

This is off topic but is anyone else bummed at how long it"s been since an all time great scorer was drafted? I mean was 09 the last draft with one? I mean Booker and Wiggins are good but they ain"t Melo or KD yfm

说个题外话，这么久没有一位伟大得分手被选中了，还有谁对这事儿感觉失望？上次伟大得分手登陆NBA还是2009年选秀吧？布克和威金斯是还不错，不过他们可比不上安东尼和杜兰特，你体会一下。

[–]ralphrackstraw 316 指標 10小時前

Kyrie and AD I think come close, potentially Giannis within the next few years as well. A scorer on the caliber of Durant is just insanely rare though, like that type of player only comes once every 10-15 years.

我感觉欧文和安东尼-戴维斯比较接近了，字母哥也有潜力在未来几年赶上。有杜兰特那套进攻武器的得分手实在是太罕见了，这种球员应该是十到十五年一遇了。

[–]Nuggetstristvn 212 指標 8小時前

Not even 10-15 years... there"s almost no one in the history of the nba that can score like KD.

十到十五年一遇都没有吧，NBA历史上几乎没有人能像杜兰特一样砍分。

[–][CLE] Kevin LoveSartuk 103 指標 8小時前

Guys that can have a 63%+ TS% and score 25+ a game are rarities. It"s only happened 17 times in the NBA since the 3 point era, and there are a lot of the same names on the list (KD 4 times, LBJ 2 times, Chuck 4 times, and Dantley 3 times). Steph, McHale, Mullin, and Amar"e each make it once. LBJ, Steph, and AD are currently hitting those marks this season, too.

真实命中率63%以上的同时场均25分以上的球员就是凤毛麟角。三分线进入NBA以后只有17次这样的记录，其中好几次是被同一个人创造的（杜兰特两次，詹姆斯两次，巴克利四次，丹特利三次）。库里、麦克海尔、穆林和斯塔德迈尔都完成过一次。这赛季詹姆斯、库里和安东尼-戴维斯也都在保持这个数字。

[–][CLE] Manny HarrisSwift_taco_mechanic 62 指標 8小時前

I dont really know how you can create a better scorer. Incredible shooter, athletic, awesome handles, crafty, tall as fuck. I guess you could make a stronger KD but I dont think someone would be that quick and fluid if you added more strength and weight

我也不清楚怎么样才能创造一个更好的得分手。神射手，身体素质劲爆，强悍运球，技巧，高个儿？说不定可以创造一个强壮版杜兰特，不过我觉得如果加上力量和体重的话，没人能那么快速、迅捷。