连续8进总决赛：比尔-拉塞尔和勒布朗-詹姆斯的对比 [OC] 8 consecutive finals: Bill Russ

[OC] 8 consecutive finals: Bill Russell vs Lebron James

连续8进总决赛：比尔-拉塞尔和勒布朗-詹姆斯的对比

连续8年总决赛的旅程（以下为平均值）

NBA的球队数：拉塞尔时期：8.4 詹姆斯时期：30

进入总决赛需要的轮数：拉塞尔：1 詹姆斯：3

进入总决赛需要的胜场数：拉塞尔：3.9 詹姆斯：12

进入总决赛需要的比赛场数：拉塞尔：5.6 詹姆斯：15.4

队友名人堂数量：拉塞尔：6.1 詹姆斯：2.4

[–]Celticsk0ala_ 2101 指標 23小時前

well when you put it like that

凯尔特人球迷：额……你这么做出来的话……还确实是……

[–][WAS] Bradley BealNaabahs 847 指標 23 小時前

Okay now that puts it into perspective.

奇才球迷：这个图还真是说明了情况啊。

[–][MIA] Dwyane WadeBronn_Bronn[S] 283 指標 23小時前

Exactly what I was aiming for.

楼主：在下目的正是如此。

[–]klawhileonard 1297 指標 23小時前

TIL NBA was easier in 1950

感谢楼主让我明白50年代的NBA更好打……这不废话吗。

[–]2HandedMonster 783 指標 23小時前

LeBron playing with a team of milkmen in 2018 just to make it more fair though

为了公平起见，2018年的勒布朗甚至也带着一群送奶工打球。

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[译注1]：最早期的NBA球员很多都是兼职，平常都有自己的本职工作。

[–][GSW] Andre IgoudalazzMojaveExpress 1221 指標 23小時前

In Russell"s defense he went 8-0 if you pick the right stretch of years.

勇士球迷：这我得为拉塞尔说几句，你如果挑对连续的年份的话，他可是八连冠啊。

[–]nicoccino 1065 指標 21小時前

I think Lebron is 3-0 when his team wins the Finals

楼上说的好有道理，我觉得哈，我就是着么一猜啊，勒布朗夺冠时他的总决赛战绩应该是3胜0负吧？

[–]SpursDuzzy_Funlop 723 指標 23小時前

1 round to reach Finals? GTFO! I never knew that

只要赢一轮就能进总决赛？别特么忽悠我啊！以前我真不知道。

[–]LakersWuffy_RS 496 指標 22小時前

And only 8 teams and what I"m guessing is the Clippers with the .4

湖人球迷：而且当时一共8支球队，所以我猜当时快船是图里面那个0.4喽。

[–]Clippershailbo 638 指標 20小時前

"Jeez it"s kinda nice not being in the playoffs I feel pretty safe walking into an /r/NBA thre--"

快船球迷：点开这个帖子前：“哎哟，今年不用打季后赛可真舒服呢，应该没人黑我们了吧？我来论坛看看都在说什……”

[–]Celticsnakul2 106 指標 19小時前

Love the hall of fame teammates argument, when half those HoFers on Russell"s team are only there because they won 8+ rings... See Satch Sanders, in the HOF despite averaging less than 10 PPG for his career.

凯尔特人球迷：关于名人堂队友的那行挺有趣，拉塞尔一半以上的名人堂队友能进名人堂都是因为他们至少有八个总冠军戒指……举个例子，名人堂成员托马斯-桑德斯，生涯场均连10分都不到啊。

[–]SyrDel 136 指標 23小時前

Hall of famers argument is bullshit, barely any of Bill"s teammates are HOF without him.

名人堂队友的论据纯属扯淡，几乎所有拉塞尔的队友离了他都不配进入名人堂。

[–]centristtt 34 指標 21小時前

Probably, I think early stars in sports also have an easier time getting into the HoF. (goes for any sport)

或许吧。我认为对于任何项目来说，早期的体育明星都很容易进入名人堂。

[–][GSW] Klay ThompsonMrVanillaIceTCube 8 指標 15小時前

Hondo, Sam Jones, Cousy, Cowens fer sure off the top of my head. iirc Cowens won an MVP. Idk bout the rest.

勇士球迷：哈夫里切克、萨姆-琼斯、库西、考恩斯都是绝对名人堂水准的球员啊。假如我没记错的话，考恩斯可是获得过MVP的。其他人我就不清楚了。

[–][MIA] Dwyane WadeBronn_Bronn[S] 272 指標 23小時前

Since Lebron"s teammates haven"t yet been inducted in the HOF, I considered the following as HOFers: Wade, Bosh, Ray Allen, Shawn Marion, Kyrie Irving, Kevin Love.

楼主：考虑到勒布朗的队友还没有正式进入名人堂的，姑且罗列一下未来的名人堂成员好了：韦德、波什、雷-阿伦、肖恩-马里昂、凯里-欧文和凯文-乐福。

[–]HeatMelGibsonDerp 201 指標 23小時前

According to BBALL REF which is what you used:

Allen: Already in the HOF

Wade: 100% HOF chance

Bosh: 99.51% HOF chance

根据Basketball Reference网站，刚刚楼主说的这些人：

雷阿伦：已经是名人堂成员。

韦德：100%

波什：99.51%

Marion: 75.59% HOF chance

Love: 67.58% HOF chance

Irving: 36.41% HOF chance

I think it"s too soon to consider Marion and Love HOFers. Love obviously has a great chance given the career projection, but Marion is by no means a lock.

马里昂：75.59%

乐福：67.58%

欧文：36.41%

个人觉得，讨论乐福和马里昂进入名人堂还为时尚早。显然，乐福职业生涯前景不错，很有机会；而马里昂绝对跟板上钉钉扯不上关系。

[–][MIA] Dwyane WadeBronn_Bronn[S] 101 指標 23小時前

You are correct.

But if I wouldn"t have counted them, some might have thought I was a Lebron homer. Even counting them, Russell had almost 3 times more HOF teammates.

楼主：你说得对。

但是我要是不算上刚刚说的这几位，可能会有人觉得我太偏向詹姆斯了啊。而且就算考虑他们，拉塞尔还是比勒布朗多3倍的名人堂队友呢。

[–]throwaway801780 193 指標 22小時前

To be fair, when one team wins eight straight championships, a ton of them are going to be in the hall of fame for no other reason than they won eight straight championships.

公平的讲，当一个队伍连续赢得8个总冠军的时候，队里多数人都会进入名人堂的。不因为别的，单单凭他们连续拿了8个总冠军也很了不起啊！

[–][BOS] Kelly OlynykSlayer_Of_Anubis 359 指標 23小時前

I can"t tell if this was just made to shit on Russell or to prop up LeBron. Nobody is comparing them skillwise lol

And for Bill"s case you forgot to mention how many of the appearances ended in a championship.

凯尔特人球迷：我不知道这个帖是不是拿来黑拉塞尔从而抬高勒布朗的，我可从来没见有人从球技上的角度比较他俩啊。

至于说拉塞尔，我想楼主忘记提到他的的总决赛获胜率喽。

[–]CavaliersRemyGee 255 指標 21小時前

Imho, if he was shitting on Russell, he definitely wouldn"t have used that picture of Russell looking amazing with his collection of Infinity Rings.

依鄙人愚见，如果楼主是在黑拉塞尔，他绝对不会用那张拉塞尔戴满“无限戒指”、看起来酷炫碉堡的照片喽。

[–][MIA] Dwyane WadeBronn_Bronn[S] 167 指標 23小時前

It"s just to point out just how different the league was back then.

Not shitting on Russell, he was great. But people are now comparing Russell"s run with Lebron"s and I am trying to put it in perspective.

楼主：我只是想陈述一下过去的联盟是多么的不同罢了。

并不是要黑拉塞尔的，他很伟大。只不过，最近人们在拿拉塞尔和勒布朗的总决赛之旅进行比较，所以我只是想给大家展示下两者的区别。

[–]Bullshotrod13 244 指標 22小時前

Why not include wins/losses if you are putting it into perspective?

那楼主在展示区别的时候咋不说说他俩的总决赛战绩？

[–][BOS] Eddie HouseWeAreBert 362 指標 21小時前

Because he"s just trying to put it in one perspective lol

凯尔特人球迷：因为楼主想展示的区别只有一个方向呗。

[–]WizardsVswerve27 371 指標 23小時前

No one thinks Russell was better than LeBron

奇才球迷：楼主发了这个是为啥，根本也没人觉得拉塞尔比勒布朗更强啊。

[–]BullsMustcoppington 143 指標 21小時前

The fabeled Bill Simmons just now conceded that LeBron 》 Russell so I wouldn"t say no one.

著名的比尔-西蒙斯（凯尔特人铁粉）也是刚刚才承认勒布朗强于拉塞尔的。所以，我不会用“没有人”这样绝对的词。

[–]everythingisamovie 53 指標 21小時前

Either that or Simmons was the very last person to admit that.

也可能是西蒙斯是最后一个承认这件事的人啊。

[–][MIA] Dwyane WadeBronn_Bronn[S] 163 指標 23小時前

You can look below and see that"s not true. Some people still cling on the "RINGZ, ERNEH !!!" argument.

楼主：你们可以往下看看，好多JR可不这么认为呢。有些人还是在那扯着嗓子大喊着冠军数。

[–]Alcren 107 指標 23小時前

And those guys are acting silly. While he does have an argument, Michael Jordan, Lebron, Wilt, and KAJ have the best arguments.

因为那些人蠢呗。要说对历史第一人的竞争，拉塞尔确实也不是没得争，但乔丹、勒布朗、张伯伦和贾巴尔都更有资格。

I personally don’t think you can label LBJ the best of all time until he hangs em up and you can compare the totality of his career. What if he has a bunch of choke performances? What if he wins 4 more rings in Cleveland while winning 3 more mvps before he retires?

我个人认为，现在的话，在詹姆斯退役之前你还不能把勒布朗封为历史最佳；当勒布朗退役之后，我们才可以对他的整个职业生涯进行评估。想象一下，假如他后续出现了无数次掉链子的比赛呢？又或者，他在克利夫兰再拿4个总冠军同时和3个MVP的话呢？世事难料啊！

I guess this is more tertiary but yeah...you don’t need to defend bill Russell against LBJ any more than one needs to argue LBJ vs Kobe or Magic imo.

第三嘛……我觉得吧，你没必要拿拉塞尔跟詹姆斯比，就像你也没必要拿詹姆斯跟科比和魔术师比一样，完全不是同一类型的嘛。

[–]WestTrollface_Problem 98 指標 23小時前

Bill Russell was the greatest in his era. Jordan was the greatest in his time in the league. Lebron is the greatest right now. I don"t care about unfair comparisons between players, across eras, etc. while the playoffs are going on now. Maybe after the finals are over, it"s worth pandering to shit posts in the offseason.

在他那个年代，拉塞尔就是最强的存在；乔丹也一样，是他那个时代的联盟第一人；而勒布朗是这个时代的第一人。现在还打着季后赛呢，无论是关于不同球员、还是不同时代的不公平比较，我都不关心。或许当总决赛打完、到休赛期的时候，再凑合看看这些扯淡的帖子，现在就好好欣赏比赛吧！