皮尔斯盛赞塔特姆，美国球迷讨论塔特姆是否能比皮尔斯更强 [BR] Paul Pierce on Jayson Tatum Com

[BR] Paul Pierce on Jayson Tatum Comparisons: "He"s a superstar in the making."

皮尔斯谈杰森-塔特姆与他的对比：“他是超级巨星的胚子！”

[–][CLE] LeBron Jamescocotheturtle 398 指標 11小時前

Jayson Tatum will be better than Paul Pierce.

骑士球迷：獭兔会比皮尔斯更强。

[–]CelticsIfuckinglovebball 238 指標 11小時前

Nut

凯尔特人球迷：啊，丢了~

[–]Celticsmaresolitudinis 64 指標 8小時前

凯尔特人球迷：给楼上配个图：

[–]RaptorsModernPoultry 84 指標 11小時前

Thats bold.

My hot take though is he becomes better than Mitchell. Tatum"s game will age beautifully and fit in much better in the future of the NBA with his elite 3pt shooting and ability to play off ball. Also love how under control he is. He"ll be a low turnover/high efficiency/shooting machine

猛龙球迷：说他会比皮尔斯强有些言重了。

我无脑吹一波，我觉得他会比米切尔的发展更好。獭兔的比赛水平会随着年龄的增加更加地丝滑，更加地适应NBA未来的风格——他有精英级别的三分射程和超强的无球能力。同时，他的自控能力很强。他会成为一个超低失误率超高效率的投篮机器的。

[–]CelticsBerniesbrodeo 78 指標 10小時前

I"m not too sure that"s a hot take. Tatum is a better all around player especially long term. His size translates to sustained success. Mitchell can shoot the lights out though.

凯尔特人球迷：我不觉得这是无脑吹。相比米切尔，獭兔是一个更加全面的球员，这一点在长远发展看来尤为突出。他的体格保证了他能取得更加持续稳定的成功。当然了，米切尔也可以疯狂砍分并且打出高光表现。

[–]CelticsRelocateOKCThunder 142 指標 11小時前

Tatum is so much better than Pierce was as a rookie it"s unbelievable. Heard the comparisons pre draft but Tatum easily has a higher ceiling.

Kid is special, a future top 3 MVP canidate

凯尔特人球迷：獭兔比皮尔斯新秀时期的表现强太多了，这简直难以置信。在选秀的时候我们就已经听到了这种类似的比较，但塔特姆用自己的表现证明了自己拥有更高的上限，这毋庸置疑。

这位小哥哥骨骼清奇，一看就是未来MVP榜前3的有力竞争者。

[–][BOS] Jayson TatumFeversMirrors[S] 925 指標 11小時前

"When I came out, I was a 21-year-old. He was 19 for most of this season. I know that doesn"t sound like a lot, but a year-and-a-half, two years, that"s a lot of developmental time. I had three years of college [at Kansas] to develop. He had one year [at Duke], and he"s already doing this. He"s a superstar in the making. You can compare a kid like that to me anytime you want."

凯尔特人球迷引用皮尔斯的原话：“当我进入联盟时，我21，他这赛季大部分时间都是19岁。我知道，单单这么说起来好像并没有什么太大的差别。但这中间差的这么一年半载到两年，实际上是一段很长的打磨自身能力时间。我在肯塔基大学待了三年让自己不断进步，而他在杜克只打了一年，现在就已经这么牛B了。他就是超巨胚子，你完全可以把像这样优秀的孩子和我比较，随时欢迎。”

[–][TOR] Jose Calderondeadskin 621 指標 11小時前

While also subtly calling himself a superstar

猛龙球迷：老皮巧妙地顺手夸自己是超巨。

[–][BOS] Jayson TatumFeversMirrors[S] 852 指標 11小時前

If you only watched his games against your team, you"d think he was a top 20 player of all time.

凯尔特人球迷：如果你只看了皮尔斯在对阵你龙时的表现，你可能会觉得他是联盟历史前20人。

[–]CelticsITsLoverBoy 277 指標 10小時前

To be fair even JR Smith would look like a superstar against Toronto.

凯尔特人球迷：讲道理，猛龙众将对上番，JR也能变成乔丹。

[–][BOS] Sebastian TelfairJayLarranagasEyes 225 指標 9小時前

Jared Fucking Sullinger looked like a superstar against Toronto

凯尔特人球迷：讲道理，绿衫军猛龙父子局，萨林杰化身大鲨鱼。

[–]CelticsEl_Producto 68 指標 10小時前*

Which at his peak he most definitely was.

凯尔特人球迷（回复猛龙球迷）：在皮尔斯的巅峰时期，他毫无疑问地是超级巨星。

In a 7 year span from age 23-29, he topped 25 ppg 5 times (21.6 and 23.0 ppg the other two years) with on average around 6.5 boards, 4 assists, 1.5 steals, and 0.8 blocks, and with an average TS% around .560 even though he was playing on some garbage teams and in the Celtics" most successful year (when they made the ECF and lost to the Nets in 6) his supporting cast was headlined by Antoine Walker, Kenny Anderson, Tony Battie, Eric Williams, Erick Strickland, and Vitaly Potapenko.

在皮尔斯23-29岁的7年里，他5次场均砍下25分（另外两年是21.6和23.0分）的同时还能拿下6.5板+4助攻+1.5抢断+0.8盖帽，尽管球队阵容垃圾，他还是打出差不多56%的真实命中率。他还在凯尔特人最成功的那年带队挺进东决并最终在G6输给了篮网，彼时他的帮手呢？了解一下：安东尼-沃克，肯尼-安德森，托尼-巴蒂，埃里克-威廉姆斯，埃里克-斯特里克兰，以及，维塔利-波塔潘科。

Dude was a very underappreciated stud until the Big 3 came along. No accident that his efficiency skyrocketed to above .600 TS% in the four years after KG and Allen arrived when he finally wasn"t the team"s only real source of offense.

皮尔斯是一个一直被低估的巨星，直到绿军三巨头的出现。当KG和雷-阿伦来到球队后，他终于不再是球队里唯一一个的进攻点了，从这开始的四年里，皮尔斯的真实命中率也毫不意外地蹿升到了60%+。

[–]CelticsEl_Producto 44 指標 9小時前*

Some extra context for you, u/deadskin:

（还是上面那位凯尔特人球迷）：“那位龙蜜，再给你一些干货，

If you look at some of Pierce"s contemporary swingman scoring studs, Kobe Bryant"s career-high TS% was .580. Vince Carter"s was .571. Joe Johnson"s was .564. Tracy McGrady"s was .563.

作为对比，我上一下和皮尔斯同期的得分型锋线的是真实命中率，我取的都是这几位的生涯最高值哈：科比：58%，卡特：57.1%，麦迪：56.3%，乔-约翰逊：56.4%。

Pierce had a .583 TS% in a year where the Celtics 2nd and 3rd scorers were Antoine Walker and Ricky-fucking-Davis, and he had 8 years over .580, 4 over .590, 2 over .610, and his career high was .620.

而皮尔斯的真实命中率是58.3%，值得一提的是，皮尔斯砍下这一数据的当年，他的球队第二第三得分点分别是安东尼-沃克以及，里基-我以为他是来辅佐我的-戴维斯。补充一下，他的职业生涯里有8年的真实命中率高过58%，4年高过59%，2年高过61%，职业生涯最高那年真实命中率是62%。

[–]76ersDemeean 117 指標 7小時前

I know this sub likes to shit on Paul Pierce a lot because of his analysis and the whole ray Allen but its a little frustrating seeing people trying to rewrite history on his career. This guy was a phenomenal basketball player and definitely a superstar in his prime but you"d think he was like Marshon Brooks the way some people talk about him on here. Even LeBron had trouble against this guy

我知道这破区爱黑皮尔斯，可能是因为他的各种分析言论以及雷-阿伦的相关事件吧。但抛开这些事情不谈，我很不能理解的是人们总是为了黑他而去扭曲改变关于他的伟大生涯的事实。皮尔斯是个现象级的球员，巅峰期的皮尔斯毫无疑问地是超级巨星，但在这里，你们却把皮尔斯说的像是马尚-布鲁克斯这种级别的球员一样，别逗了好吗！就连老詹当年也在皮尔斯身上吃了不少苦头啊！

[–]CelticsIfuckinglovebball 365 指標 11小時前

Paul said before the season something to the effect of Tatum already being as polished as he was after a few years in the league. He really loved this kid

凯尔特人球迷：皮尔斯在这赛季开赛前就说，塔特姆身上的一些技能已经打磨到了相当高的层次，而这一层次是皮尔斯自己在联盟待了好几年之后才触及到的。皮尔斯真的很喜欢獭兔。

[–]RaptorsSparkman33 182 指標 11小時前

That"s high praise. PP was polished even at KU. Had that old man game from his teens.

这是很高的赞誉了！皮尔斯在堪萨斯的时候就已经很技术娴熟了。我们在讨论的可是保罗-青春期就打老大爷球风-皮尔斯啊！

[–]WestKingSol24 66 指標 8小時前

Early in his career he was a very good explosive athlete

其实在生涯早期，皮尔斯也是位很爆炸的身体素质型球员。

[–]RaptorsJWiLL552 59 指標 7小時前

He was always described like a white player, with his sneaky hops and scrappy physicality.

猛龙球迷：皮尔斯总是被描述得像个地板流白人球员一样，考虑到他的风骚假动作以及热爱上身体对抗的癖好。

[–]Celticsrumdiary 56 指標 7小時前

I love Tatum, but I never understand why Jaylen doesn"t get the same love. It always seems like Tatum is one step ahead.

凯尔特人球迷：我爱塔特姆，但我不明白为什么杰伦-布朗没得到同样的赞誉。人们总是表现得像是塔特姆已经遥遥领先杰伦一个身位了一样。

I get that Jaylen played less minutes in his rookie year last year, but that"s because we didn"t have major injuries. Jaylen was excellent last year as well, and I consider him to be the (slightly) better prospect.

我知道杰伦在他的新秀赛季，也就是上赛季打得时间比较少，但那是因为当时我们没有出现大面积伤病。在这样的情况下，杰伦的上赛季打的依然很出色，我觉得他拥有比塔特姆（稍微）更加光辉的前景。

[–]Celticsgregkegoapplejuice 43 指標 6小時前

I think the difference is that Brown doesn"t have the offensive skillset to be a go to scorer like Tatum does. Brown can get a tough bucket sometimes, but only if he"s feelin it. Tatum appears to be always feelin it. That said, Brown looks like he"s turning into a really consistent 3PT threat, and he"s poised to be featured yearly on an all-defensive team. I guess there"s something about Tatum"s silky smooth footwork and shot creation that looks really special to a lot of people (including me)

凯尔特人球迷：我觉得造成你描述的现在这种舆论观感的原因是因为杰伦-布朗没有像獭兔那样丰富的进攻技能包。杰伦偶尔能够打进一些高难度进球，但这是在他手热的时候，而作为对比呢，塔特姆的高难度得分是随叫随到。不过话说回来，杰伦正在逐渐成为一个持续可靠的三分威胁，并且他也有未来几年成为最佳防守阵容常客的势头。而獭兔呢，他的丝滑脚步以及梦幻的进攻创造力可能会让人更加的印象深刻（包括我在内）。