联盟中谁接到球后最可能完成出手,谁又是最有可能不自己干的球员

联盟中谁接到球后最可能完成出手,谁又是最有可能不自己干的球员

联盟中谁接到球后最可能完成出手,谁又是最有可能不自己干的球员

The players who are most and least likely to shoot when they get the ball [OC]

让我们通过这张统计图一起来了解一下联盟中接到球后最有可能完成出手和最有可能不自己干的两拨球员们都是谁。

联盟中谁接到球后最可能完成出手,谁又是最有可能不自己干的球员


横坐标:触球数 纵坐标:出手数Data from nba.com/stats.数据来自于NBA官方统计

Here is a list of the players most and least likely to shoot on each team. Here is a list of the raw data.

而这个清单列出了各队最爱接球就投和最不爱接球就投的球员们,附上原始数据。

联盟中谁接到球后最可能完成出手,谁又是最有可能不自己干的球员


链接:http://pastebin.com/QMKnLKbv

Of course, for pass-heavy teams the numbers will be slightly lower. (also, oops, the one marked M. Beasley is Malik, not Michael)

当然,对于那些传球比重较大的球队来说,这项数据会稍低一点(另外,那位M.比斯利是马利克-比斯利而不是迈克尔-比斯利)

edit: Some have pointed out that players who get lots of defensive boards have inflated touch numbers since they tend to hand off to a guard immediately. If we subtract DRB from touches to get a better estimate, the list changes to this:

http://pastebin.com/PNdAiJiTMacGyver"d plot with that data

Basically, it shows that the bigs are more likely to shoot on offense than the original data shows.

补充:有些人指出那些每场抓很多后场板的球员们的触控球的次数被夸大了,因为他们一拿到篮板就会立即将球交给后卫处理。假如我们把防守篮板率从触球数中减掉,会得到一个更加贴切的估计值,然后更改后的清单变成了这样:

联盟中谁接到球后最可能完成出手,谁又是最有可能不自己干的球员


然后我们基本上可以看出,大个子们实际上比原始数据显示的更会在进攻端选择投篮。

[–]Celticscabose12 145 指標 9小時前

The Data"s telling me that Smart isn"t that likely to shoot

But my body, my body"s telling me it"s still kind of high

凯尔特人球迷:你这个数据告诉我斯马特并不是那么爱接球就扔。但是冥冥之中我的身体仿佛在告诉我他投的还是有点多了。

[–]HawksWhiteHeterosexualGuy 18 指標 9小時前

Any chance you know where on the graph Ben Simmons would be? It looks like you only graphed the most/least likely by % for each team but Ben probably has a huge amount of touches and was curious where his dot would be.

话说你们在图里看到本-西蒙斯了吗?看起来楼主通过比较百分比找出了各球队的两个之最,但是本-西蒙斯的触球数好像也不少吧,很好奇他的那个点会在图上的哪个位置。

[–]Trail Blazersneilson241[S] 36 指標 9小時前

Yep, Simmons is the quite low one on the far right. (6726, 901) or 13.4%

楼主:你说的没错,西蒙斯那个点在遥远的右边而且是很靠下的位置。用数据来说就是,6726次触球出手了901次,接球投篮比是百分之13.4。

[–][HOU] Hakeem Olajuwonkyotofly 885 指標 10小時前

Wiggins wyd

威金斯你搞啥啊!

[–][SAS] Dennis RodmanXwarsama 332 指標 9小時前

According to the OP, KAT is shooting on only 21.1% of his touches by comparison.

再看一眼楼主贴的数据对比一下的话,唐斯的接球投篮比只有21.1%哦。

[–]TimberwolvesVcm721 98 指標 5小時前*

This is the worst part of being a Wolves fan. Imagine having a Lamborghini in the garage but you have to drive your 2001 Sienna to work every day.

森林狼球迷:这就是当狼蜜最难受的地方了。想象一下,假如你的车库有个兰博基尼,但是你却只能每天开着2001年款的塞纳出去上班是什么滋味吧。

[–]Warriorsmy-name-is- 59 指標 4小時前

That you paid top dollar for

而且这破车还是你们花了大价钱买的。

[–]Raptorsbeerdude111 11 指標 5小時前

Honest question. I"ll admit that I don"t watch Wolves as often as I should but how is it that we"ve all suddenly given up on Wiggins? He"s not even that old and he"s already been labelled a Rudy Gay type of player. Doesn"t he at least get another season or 2 to turn things around?

猛龙球迷:我真心地问个问题啊。我承认我没有经常看森林狼的球,但是怎么突然之间我们大家就都不看好威金斯了呢?他还很年轻啊,怎么就被贴上了鲁迪-盖伊式球员的标签呢。他不还是需要至少一到两个赛季来完成变身吗?

[–][MIN] Rasho NesterovicAlongCamePollyIsBae 42 指標 4小時前

He"s not even that old and he"s already been labelled a Rudy Gay type of player.

One: Rudy Gay was good.

Two: http://bkref.com/tiny/Jt6RG

You can give Wiggins more seasons if you want, but DeRozan is basically the only person in NBA history to be as bad as Wiggins through 4 seasons and become good.

Only difference is DeRozan improved during those 4 seasons, and Wiggins has (statistically) regressed.

森林狼球迷:就针对你说这句话啊“他还很年轻啊怎么就被贴上了鲁迪-盖伊式球员的标签呢”我说两点。

第一点:鲁迪-盖伊是个很不错的球员。

第二点:算了,我还是直接上个链接,来个数据对比吧。

 http://bkref.com/tiny/Jt6RG

如果你还想给威金斯更多的时间我没意见,但是我这么跟你说,除了德罗赞以外,你在NBA历史上不会再找出另外一个(被球队当做核心培养的)前四个赛季都表现的这么差后来还能打出来的球员了。

他们俩唯一的区别就是德罗赞进步了,而威金斯呢,从数据上看,还退步了。

[–]Nets Tankwagonnot_Kevin_Durant 41 指標 7小時前

I think it make sense for Wiggins to take a ton of shots, it"s not like there is another extremely efficient 1st option readily available and already playing obscene minutes.

篮网球迷:我觉得威金斯出手这么多次也没什么毛病啊!毕竟,森林狼又没有什么极具效率的第一投篮选择等着喂球呢对吧!而且这个投篮效率极高的老哥出场时间也并没有多到吓人的地步对吧!

[–]TimberwolvesSharcbait 168 指標 9小時前

The answer might lie in how little ball movement we have. Way too many of our possessions are Teague dribbling the ball out for 16 seconds before we try to move the ball at all, then try to dump it inside, because how little clock is left it gets kicked out to Wiggins who puts up a contested shot because the clock is so low. On top of that, because when he does pass the ball rarely ends up back in his hands he will try to go for hero mode early in the shot clock.

森林狼球迷:其实这个问题的答案在于我们比赛时球的转移真的很少。我们大部分的控球回合都是蒂格先运个16秒再开始组织进攻,然后就把球甩锅给里面(这还是说他真能选择传球的情况),因为时间所剩无几,球最后到了威金斯手里面,他也只能强投,因为实在是没时间了啊。最重要的是,当威金斯开始把球传出去了,然后就没有然后了,球基本回不到他手里了。所以他才会选择一拿球就早点开启英雄球模式。

TLDR: Don"t let the numbers misguide you, Thibs offensive system sucks. The numbers are coming from the quality of the players not the system at all.

给那些太长不看的那些人总结一下:别让数据误导了你,锡伯杜的进攻体系很垃圾,我狼的进攻打得不错完全是靠这些出色的球员,跟体系鸡毛关系没有。

[–]NBAbayesian_acolyte 76 指標 8小時前*

Wiggins has had 3 different coaches and never had a shooting frequency below 34%. He was even worse his rookie season than this year (38.7%). Plus when you watch him, he routinely misses wide open players to jack contested midrange shots. No coach is telling players to do that.

威金斯被三个教练执教过,而他的投篮比从未低于过百分之34。他新秀赛季的投篮比是百分之38,比这个赛季还要糟糕。另外当你看他比赛时你会发现,他会选择无视那些有空位出手机会的球员,强行投个中距离。没有一个教练会让球员那么做的。

[–]TimberwolvesSharcbait 33 指標 8小時前

IDK how many Wolves games you have seen this season, but Thibs version of coaching is looking confused and yelling at the refs. It"s not that he is telling Wiggins to shoot the ball too much, its that he is not telling the guys to do anything. They are playing rec league ball with people they don"t know half the time it feels like. Our only consistent plays are screen and roll where they go to trap the ball handler and Taj or KAT get free inside.

森林狼球迷:我不知道你这个赛季看了多场森林狼的球,但是锡伯杜的执教基本可以这么概括:一脸懵逼+大吼裁判。他的问题不是让威金斯投了太多的篮,而是他根本就没有告诉球员们该做什么不该做什么。好像他们在场上的一半时间是跟他们根本不认识的人一起在玩娱乐篮球一样。我们唯一坚持的战术就是挡拆,持球人被包夹然后吉布森和唐斯在内线被放空。

[–]GameDesignerDude 99 指標 7小時前*

Here is an advanced breakdown of Wiggins" offensive moves:

http://imgur.com/a/CPbOs

Step 1) Stand in The Wiggins Zone (tm)

Step 2) Wait for ball

Step 3) It"s Wiggins Time (tm)

下面我通过高阶的分解动作解析一下威金斯进攻方式:

联盟中谁接到球后最可能完成出手,谁又是最有可能不自己干的球员




第一步:站在威金斯地带

第二步:等球来

第三步:进入威金斯时刻

Wiggins Time (tm) consists of:

Open three

Fadeaway midrange in traffic

Drive to dunk/layup

具体说说威金斯时刻都包括哪些进攻方式呢:

空位三分;

突破之后接一个后仰中距离;

一路狂奔的扣篮或者上篮。

But, more seriously, the statements that Wiggins is a "black hole" on offense aren"t just hyperbole. The OP pretty much backs this up with numbers, and NBA stats tracking has shown this for quite some time now.

但是,我更严肃一点说,威金斯是“黑洞”这种说法还真不是夸张。楼主通过数据有力的支持了这一种说法。而NBA的数据追踪系统也早已证明了这一点。

Wiggins needs to learn how to pass. Honestly, it would open up his offensive game a lot if he actually looked for other people and could make passing out of his drives a legitimate threat to defenders.

威金斯应该学学怎么传球了。老实说,如果他真的能开始在球场上找队友、并且使他的突分能力成为真正的进攻威胁,他的进攻就能彻底打开了。

It would also make his teammates more likely to get him involved in a wider variety of offensive sets, rather than just ignoring him on some sets because they aren"t looking for a Wiggins iso play

这样以来,威金斯的队友也会更愿意将他融入到各种战术中来,而不是在进攻时总是忽略他,毕竟他的队友们也不是来看威金斯单打独斗的。

[–]Raptorsdragonballa 46 指標 8小時前

Came into this expecting CJ Miles to be #1 in the league, left satisfied. Second only to Wiggs 38.5%.

This dude really jacks it up every time he touches it. Makes this tweet funnier

http://twitter.com/masfresco/status/974475292977909762

猛龙球迷:看标题我就猜CJ-迈尔斯是这个指标的第一人,点进一开果然没差多少!仅次于威金斯的38.5%,排第二。

感觉这个家伙每次触球都会投。这么一看他的这条推特就更好玩了。[译注1]

联盟中谁接到球后最可能完成出手,谁又是最有可能不自己干的球员


[译注1]篮球真的太有趣了,跟现在这群家伙一起并肩作战简直是我这一生最快乐的篮球时光。

[–]diiron 73 指標 9小時前

I thought and was hoping it"d be Mo Speights

我进来之前以为而且很希望第一是斯贝茨。

[–]WestbrookRapedMe 255 指標 10小時前

Surprised Klay isn’t at like 80%

很惊讶克莱-汤普森的接球投篮比不在80%左右。

[–][UTA] Gordon HaywardLeonardosClone 63 指標 9小時前

333 is the strongest number in the universe bro

爵士球迷:这你就不懂了吧,老铁,333才是宇宙最强数字。

[–]Rocketsdudenotcool 58 指標 10小時前

Who is the bottom right dot that is allergic to shooting?

火箭球迷:右下角那个哥们是对投篮过敏吗?

[–]SunsFriendEater 26 指標 9小時前

Dragan Bender

太阳球迷:艹,是德拉甘-本德尔。

[–]DylonSpittinHotFire 189 指標 10小時前

Bad shooters shoot the ball less it seems. Outlier being MKG though.

射术一般的好像投的都少点。不过迈基吉是个例外。

[–][CHA] Treveon GrahamBizGilwalker 157 指標 10小時前

MKG is the outlier because he"s grossly misused. We run no plays for him and our offense is a disjointed mess, so usually when he receives the ball, it"s because he"s wide open or a busted play and he just has to fire something up. A coach worth a shit would actually let MKG handle the ball a little bit, drive more, scoring off cuts, and all that stuff.

黄蜂球迷:他是个例外的原因是他被严重的误用了。我们没有为他安排任何战术,我们的进攻体系一团糟。所以当他接到球的时候,一般都是他处于空位、或者我们的战术没打出来导致他必须得开火。一个真正的教练会让他处理球,更多的冲击篮筐,进行一些空切得分之类的吧。

But nope, we"re basically Kemba isos and Dwight post ups at this point. And that hurts MKG more than anybody else on the team.

但是我们并没有这么做。我们基本上是让肯巴-沃克单打或者是让霍华德在低位单打。这对于迈基吉的伤害比对球队里任何人的都多。

[–]DylonSpittinHotFire 45 指標 10小時前

As a current Charlotte resident I can attest to the problems that you are describing.

作为一名夏洛特居民,我可以向大家证实你的叙述。

[–][OKC] Paul GeorgePervy_Sensei 45 指標 10小時前

Melo gotta be way up there

雷霆球迷:不对啊,安东尼那个点应该高高在上啊。

[–]Trail Blazersneilson241[S] 42 指標 10小時前

3739, 1074; 28.7%

楼主:3739次触球出手1074次,接球投篮比28.7%。

[–][CLE] J.R. Smith4thRingIncoming 34 指標 10小時前

I don"t see Jordan Clarkson on the list

骑士球迷:我怎么没看见克拉克森在这个榜单上啊。

[–]Trail Blazersneilson241[S] 33 指標 10小時前

3068 touches, 869 FGA; 28.3%

楼主:3068次触球 869次出手,接球投篮比28.3%。

联盟中谁接到球后最可能完成出手,谁又是最有可能不自己干的球员


联盟中谁接到球后最可能完成出手,谁又是最有可能不自己干的球员

联盟中谁接到球后最可能完成出手,谁又是最有可能不自己干的球员