一图解析马刺勇士轮换阵容,波波维奇、科尔排兵布阵大不同
一图解析马刺勇士轮换阵容,波波维奇、科尔排兵布阵大不同
Spurs vs Warriors rotation chart from last night shows a difference in substitution patterns. Kerr choosing to stagger his lineups while Pop uses 2 distinct groups.
下面这张图给出的信息是在前天马刺对阵勇士的比赛里,两只球队各自的球员轮换时间情况。这个图表里显示了两队选派替补上场的时机与模式的不同:科尔倾向于让主力和替补球员交叉同时上场,而波波维奇则可能来个五上五下,更喜欢在不同时间使用两套完全不同的阵容。
注:表上纵轴显示两队上场的各名球员,上半部分为勇士,下半部分是马刺。横轴代表比赛时间,一个小方块为一分钟。颜色的深浅是指在这一分钟里某位球员上场的时间多少,从白到黑即代表从没有上场,到打满这一分钟。蓝色曲线显示全场比赛中两队分差的情况。
[–]WarriorsTNARG44 762 指標 7小時前
this is very cool to look at
one thing that stands out to me is the difference between KD and Klay/Draymond. 2 very large stretches and one medium vs 2 medium, 1 short, and 1 long.
I assume mixing up the looks makes it a lot harder for the Spurs
勇士球迷:这个表做得是真好。
这张图非常吸引我注意力的部分在于阿杜和克莱(或是追梦)进行轮换时的差别。杜兰特的上场时间可以分为三段,有两段是很久的连续上场,加上比赛末段作为先发的正常回归。克莱和格林的情况就不一样,他们先在开局阶段打了大半节,然后经过短暂的上场,又在二三节一共上场了将近一节的时间,而末节他们一直没有休息。
我认为这种不固定的阵容安排确实给马刺的防守制造了麻烦。
[–]NBAReddit_Be4 76 指標 6小時前
Keep in mind that there is a halftime break between the very large stretch
不过需要讲清楚的是,杜兰特上场时间那栏,中间那条方格连得很长的线实际并不连续,它包含着中场休息这个间隔。
[–]Ola3Po 291 指標 6小時前
I think KD has always said he likes to play the whole first quarter. Helps him get in a rhythm or something.
我记得KD经常说他喜欢打满第一节,这对他找到比赛节奏很有帮助。
[–]Spurssnarkyturtle 68 指標 5小時前
He clearly needed it because he had a pretty bad first quarter last night but really turned it on for the other 3 and especially the fourth.
马刺球迷:他确实需要这样做,昨晚的比赛就是明证。第一节杜兰特打得可以说相当差。但是他反而在后三节,尤其是第四节,重新找回了手感,挥起了镰刀。
[–]Cavaliersvoyaging 24 指標 4小時前
I"d like to see how he"s played in normal Warriors games. Curry"s injury probably affected the lineups (e.g. needing Durant to play more for scoring).
骑士球迷:我想知道在平常任意一场勇士的比赛里,杜兰特的上场时间是如何安排的。毕竟库里的伤势很可能影响了教练的排兵布阵(比如需要杜兰特承担更多的得分责任)。
[–]WarriorsIonkkll 12 指標 2小時前
Curry and KD"s minutes are almost parallel. They rest in the first 6 minutes of the 2nd/4th. Curry follows a more strict rotation than KD.
If key bench players like West are out, KD will sometimes sit down in the 1st/3rd earlier so he can come back and help the bench unit.
勇士球迷:库里和杜兰特的上场时间基本是相同的。他们两个通常会在第二节和第四节的前6分钟稳坐替补席。库里比杜兰特更严格地执行了这个轮换时刻表。
如果替补席上的关键球员没法上场,以韦斯特为例,那么这时候阿杜一般会在首节和第三节早早休息,等着来带领球队的第二阵容。
[–]tharizzle 436 指標 7小時前
Kevin Durant has almost the exact same substitution pattern as LeBron. That"s interesting to me.
凯文-杜兰特和詹姆斯的上场时间规律非常相似啊。有点意思。
[–]Warriorsthrowbacklyrics 610 指標 7小時前
But he has the opposite balding pattern.
勇士球迷:轮换方式很相似,但是他们变秃的方式可不太相同。
[–]Nets Tankwagonburgersarethebest 237 指標 6小時前
Can confirm. LeBron balds from the hairline. KD balds from the spiral.
这一点我可以作证。老詹在与发际线的败退苦苦争斗,阿杜则是从后脑勺旋儿的位置向外辐射发散秃能量。
[–][GSW] Patrick McCawwoodelf 23 指標 6小時前
Too bad they can"t combine hair powers and form one respectable head of hair (and one head with zero hairs)
勇士球迷:太可惜了,他们没办法把自己仅存的黑发能量结合在一起,这样至少能保证其中一人的乌黑浓密有光泽啊(当然,要牺牲另一人头顶彻底变成不毛之地)。
[–][MIA] Justise WinslowUdonis- 33 指標 6小時前
It"s also pretty similar to LMA"s. That"d logically be the pattern for the guy you want on court the most, letting him rest a little during each half, but with long blocks of playing to get the rhythm.
Edit: and Patty Mills/Kyle Anderson. Spurs big three confirmed
回复层主:仔细看你会发现,阿尔德里奇上场时间的规律也和这两人很类似。理论上讲,教练最想时时刻刻放在场上的球员很可能就会采用这样的轮换模式。让这个球员在上下半场各保留一些休息的时间,同时安排他尽可能多的连续上场,来保证这个球员不会脱离比赛节奏。
P.S. 从这个表上看,他刺三巨头是阿德,米尔斯还有凯尔-安德森是石锤了。
[–]NBAMintastic 11 指標 6小時前
Klay/Dray apparently don"t need any rhythm, they just get random chunks of time with both starters and bench it seems.
看起来克莱和格林根本不在意什么比赛节奏啊,他们的上场时间就是和先发或者替补随机搭配,混杂在一起。
[–][MIA] Justise WinslowUdonis- 11 指標 5小時前
Draymond I understand. Feeling the flow of the game is important but you can"t really go cold defensively if your fundamentals are sound. I"d expect a shooter like Klay to have consistent minutes though. Kerr knows best of course.
格林的轮换时间飘忽不定我能理解。因为把握比赛的节奏固然重要,但是如果你是像格林这样的一名基本功足够扎实的球员,那你不太可能会在防守端也熄火。我更期望看到像克莱这样的射手型球员能获得固定的上场时间。当然,科尔也是射手出身,他会比我更懂。
[–]PelicansGood_NewsEveryone[S] 118 指標 8小時前
Obviously Curry leaving early in the first threw a wrench in Kerr"s plans but the pattern is still pretty typical for what he does. If you take a look at their lineups (http://on.nba.com/2FvqmDJ) their most used lineup is the starting unit for most of the year, but second is Thompson, Green, Iggy, Livingston, and West.
楼主:很明显昨天的比赛中库里早早伤退给了科尔的固定轮换模式一个不小的考验,但是勇士的阵容轮换还是体现出了他们的典型特征。如果我们观察勇士的排兵布阵(http://on.nba.com/2FvqmDJ) ,会发现他们常年最多使用的阵容就是先发阵容,而紧跟着使用率第二高的梯队里包括克莱和格林两名先发,加上一哥,利文斯顿和韦斯特。
Warriors were also without West and Iggy in this game but you can see Kerr go to a similar lineup to start the 2nd quarter with using Nick Young and Looney. Those lineups have been very successful for GSW, but last night they started to give back the lead the Warriors gained in the 1st quarter. He also used KD to bolster the bench towards the end of the first quarter. Again in the second half Kerr uses a similar pattern, KD stays in and bolsters the bench to start and then Klay and Draymond return while he rests.
昨天的比赛里韦斯特和伊戈达拉也没有出战,但是科尔依然选择使用类似的阵容,并派出尼克-杨和卢尼来填补空缺。这套阵容一直都行之有效,但是昨天的情况下他们却把先发阵容在第一节赢来的领先优势拱手相让。科尔还在首节末段和第二节开局时间让杜兰特带领替补阵容,汤普森和格林则在阿杜下场休息时随即登台亮相。
Pop, on the other hand, makes 4 substitutions at the same time about half way through the first quarter; leaving only LMA with the bench unit for a couple of minutes. And also uses a similar style in the second half, but using Forbes instead of Ginobili.
With about 5 minutes left in the game, Kerr goes small moving Draymond to center. Pop responds by subbing out Bertans for Danny Green but the Warriors still get the win.
回过头再看波波的调兵遣将。在第一节过半的时候,由四名替补换下四名首发,让阿尔德里奇带领替补阵容打一段时间。在下半场的时候阵容结构和轮换也和之前基本一直,不同之处在于用福布斯替了吉诺比利。
在距离比赛还有大概5分钟左右的时候,科尔把格林挪到中锋位置开始打小个阵容。波波以丹尼-格林替下贝尔坦斯作为应对之策。不过无济于事,勇士依然横夺一胜。
[–]RocketsxHKx 27 指標 7小時前
Great chart I’d love to see more of these
球员们上场时间的数据图太棒了,还有更多类似的图表吗?我全都要。
[–]Timetoboxout 21 指標 6小時前
You can really see the philosophy of each coach in action with how they substitute. It’s a piece that most fans take for granted, unless you play 2k and realize how much energy it takes to make it all happen. I always start off with something like Kerr’s strategy and then end up making unit swaps purely for simplicity.
从两队的两名主教练在轮换用人这方面的斗法,就可以看出他们各自有别的执教理念。球迷们通常不会在意教练的机关算尽,除非是在玩2K的时候,你会意识到选择合适的阵容上场有多不易。我每次在开局的时候还试图借鉴科尔的换人技巧,但是到了后面就管不了那么多了,一组一组的换吧,能上就行。
[–]TimberwolvesNillaThunda 10 指標 7小時前
would love to see what this would look like with Curry playing
真想想看看假如库里上场,两队的轮换情况会有什么不一样
[–]PelicansGood_NewsEveryone[S] 19 指標 6小時前
Here"s GSW vs POR (tried to find a close game). You can see Portland uses something similar where the stagger CJ and Lillard.
楼主:我这是一张2月份勇士对阵开拓者的比赛中球员的轮换时间表(我在努力挑出一场两队实力比较接近的勇士比赛)。大家可以看出来开拓者也选择了近似的安排,尽量错开麦科勒姆和利拉德的上场时间,保证替补阵容的足够实力。
[–]ClippersDepressedClippersFan 132 指標 7小時前
The Warriors have 4 all stars. The Spurs have always played players in units. I think you’d find rotation charts like this for most Warriors and Spurs games.
勇士有4位全明星球员,可以随机选择其中几人来带领阵容。马刺的特点则是会按照阵容梯队来安排球员上场。我敢说你在绝大多勇士对阵马刺的比赛后都可以给出一张主楼这样的阵容轮转表。
[–]WarriorsEverybodyHatesKevin 239 指標 7小時前
Right, that"s the whole point of the graph. To illustrate the difference in play/coaching styles.
勇士球迷:老哥你说的当然没错,但是这幅图的意义,就在于展示出两支球队的打法差异和两名主教练执教风格的不同。
[–]ClippersDepressedClippersFan 22 指標 7小時前
I think he could just link the overall season substitution patterns than.
http://alexwainger.github.io/NBASubstitutionPatterns
层主:想做到这一点,那楼主还有更好的选择。通过这个网站我们可以看到一个赛季下来各支球队的球员轮转规律。
http://alexwainger.github.io/NBASubstitutionPatterns
[–]puravidamae 51 指標 7小時前
FYI
Last Data Update: December 20, 2017
给大家提个醒,
这个网站的数据更新截止在2017年12月20号。
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