美国球迷深入探讨东部决赛：绿军将帅相辅相成，骑士场上没有体系 [Serious Next Day Thread] The Boston

[Serious Next Day Thread] The Boston Celtics defeat the Cleveland Cavaliers 107-94, to take a 2-0 series lead.

[赛后第二天严肃讨论帖]：骑士94-107凯尔特人，詹姆斯42+10+12，杰伦-布朗23+7，凯尔特人2-0骑士

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[–]LakersAryudz 782 指標 9小時前

I honestly expected way more out of George Hill. I know JR has been ass but Hill shitting the bed is even more of a surprise to me given how reliable he"s been over his career.

湖人球迷：我这场比赛前真的期望希尔能贡献更多。我知道JR-史密斯最近状态很垃圾，但是希尔尿炕才是更令我惊讶的，因为他在自己的整个职业生涯中都是挺靠谱的形象啊。

[–][IND] Victor Oladiposhanelewis12 59 指標 8小時前

Hill is secretly plotting against LeBron for the Pacers.

But Honestly I agree. When I"m watching him on the court, away from the ball. He looks afraid, like afraid to mess up in front of LeBron. He hesitated to cut, and move around.

步行者球迷：希尔是我步派出去对抗詹姆斯的卧底。

但是不开玩笑地讲，我同意楼上。当希尔在场上的时候，他离球很远。他看上去很害怕，好像害怕在詹姆斯面前搞砸。他空切、移动的时候都犹犹豫豫的。

[–][BOS] Rajon Rondoburner_for_celtics 135 指標 9小時前

Hill is a much better team player than this; my guess is that these Cavs haven"t been playing together long enough to develop team chemistry and take full advantage of his abilities.

凯尔特人球迷：比起现在这种状态，希尔本该是更好的团队球员。我的猜测是，这支骑士在一起打球的时间不够长，还没能培育出球队的化学反应来充分发挥希尔的能力。

[–]Yungfrankz 736 指標 8小時前

There is no system in Cleveland. Everyone stands there and waits for the ball

骑士没有体系可言。每个人都干站在场上，等着球过来。

[–]CavaliersSiawyn 362 指標 8小時前

Mostly this, outside of Korver.

It"s especially jarring if you pull up two windows of games on Youtube - one being the Cavs offense and one being GS. One has a lot of back cutting, off ball movement, etc, and the other has a lot of guys just standing around doing nothing.

骑士球迷：主要确实是这样的，除了科沃尔。

如果你在YouTube上打开两场比赛的窗口——一个播放骑士的进攻，一个播放勇士的进攻，看起来会特别不和谐。一个在场上有大量的空切，无球移动等等，另一个，球员都只是呆呆地站在场上，什么都不做。

[–]SpursSquad_Squirtle 138 指標 8小時前

It"d be fine if the Cavs had a bunch of Kevin Loves who have the chemistry to really feel out where to be when LeBron is moving, but instead, they gutted the roster and now nobody knows where to be.

马刺球迷：如果骑士有一帮像凯文-乐福这样（跟勒布朗）相互间拥有化学反应，真的清楚当詹姆斯移动的时候自己应该在哪里的球员的话，那会很好的，然而事实与之相反，他们给球队阵容来了个大清洗，现在没人知道自己在场上应该往哪站。

[–]Warriorsdz_helper 104 指標 8小時前

Yeah, their only half court plays just look like either TT setting a screen at the top of the key for LeBron. Or Korver is dancing through two screens to get freed on a wing.

What other plays do they run?

勇士球迷：是的，骑士的半场进攻战术看起来要么是特里斯坦-汤普森在弧顶给詹姆斯做个掩护，要么就是科沃尔穿过两层掩护在侧翼得到空位。

他们还跑过别的战术么？

[–]Viyro 112 指標 7小時前

Their entire playbook is PNP or PNR with Lebron, OR Korver double screen with Kevin Love. Thats the entire offensive playbook. The only cuts are Lebron great passes to push a player to be open. There are no curls, no movement, nothing. Then you have the Celtics running picks and curls for fucking Marcus Smart of all people. Let alone the rest of their talent.

他们全部战术就是詹姆斯打挡拆外切和顺下，或者是科沃尔和凯文-乐福打双掩护。这就是骑士全部的进攻战术。唯一的空切战术就是詹姆斯用出色的传球引领着球员得到空位。没有卷曲空切，没有移动，什么都没有。然后你能看到凯尔特人那边，所有人都为马库斯-斯马特，是斯马特啊，做掩护空切战术。就更别提绿军剩下的青年才俊了。

[–]Warriorsdz_helper 75 指標 7小時前

I think Lebrons great passing ability is making them look like they run more plays than they actually do lol

勇士球迷：我觉得吧，詹姆斯出色的传球能力形成了一种假象，那就是让人觉得骑士跑了比实际更多的战术。

[–]Warriorsquadshock 254 指標 9小時前

Can we get a proper discussion going about Lue"s coaching beyond the memes? I have friends who are adamant that he is a good coach who calls great plays out of time outs, and I don"t see it

勇士球迷：除了各种梗，我们能不能好好地讨论一下卢指导的执教？我身边有朋友固执地认为，泰伦-卢是一名好教练，暂停时会叫出非常棒的战术出来，可我并没有看到这种情况。

[–]MagictrapgodGUWAP 183 指標 9小時前

He"ll draw up a good play every now and then, but man are his lineups trash. It honestly sort of baffles me how a basketball organization does not bring these things to light more often.

Like how is the team / other coaches allowing this shit to happen? I guess they offer advice and Ty Lue does his own thing anyway?

魔术球迷：他会时不时地设计一个漂亮的战术，但是他的轮换安排实在是太垃圾了。老实讲，我甚至都有点困惑，一支篮球队怎么就没有更多的提起这个问题呢？

球队或者其他的助理教练怎么就允许这种情况发生呢？是不是他们都提供了建议，而泰伦-卢还是执意于自己的想法？

At the end of the day its up to the players to perform but why throw JR back into the mix after a flagrant and 0-whatever shooting?

So many questions and no answers from this team (outside of LeBron)..

最后，战术有赖于球员的执行，但是为什么在JR-史密斯恶意犯规，1个球没进的情况下，还要把他放在场上？

太多太多的问题了，但从这支队伍中，我找不到答案（除了詹姆斯）……

[–]PelicansBradL_13 79 指標 8小時前

That lineup he put out to start the 4th was ridiculous

泰伦-卢第4节开场摆出的阵容（希尔，科沃尔，胡德，杰夫-格林，南斯）太荒谬了。

[–]Warriors1creativething 472 指標 9小時前

When this current run of success ends for the Cavs, a long suffering rebuild process will begin. That franchise might be a bottom feeder for over a decade once Bron leaves. We could be witnessing the last flickering moments right now.

勇士球迷：当现在这支骑士的成功之旅结束，一段漫长痛苦的重建之旅就将开始。一旦詹姆斯离开骑士，球队可能会在未来十多年里都排名垫底。我们现在可能在见证骑士最后的闪耀时刻。

[–]Cavaliersdkwunw 222 指標 8小時前

Lol..... yep it"ll be brutal. We couldn"t even count on Nick Gilbert"s magic last night to get us a top 5 pick.

骑士球迷：哈哈……是的，那种情况会挺残酷的。昨晚，我们甚至都没能指望上尼克-吉尔伯特的魔法，没能得到一支前5的选秀权。

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[译注1]：尼克-吉尔伯特，骑士老板丹-吉尔伯特的儿子，分别在2011年和2013年两度为骑士抽中状元签。

[–]Cavaliersitssensei 320 指標 9小時前

Can"t tell if it"s Brad Stevens or his players are actually this good... Well also possible that we just this bad haha.

骑士球迷：我现在也搞不清到底凯尔特人牛B是因为布拉德-史蒂文斯还是这帮球员真的有这么出色……好吧也可能我们就是这么烂吧哈哈哈。

[–]mrBiscuit97 289 指標 8小時前

Didn"t the Cavs just sweep the No 1 seed last round ? With 2 top 25 players ?

I think Celtics just match really well against Lebron and the Cavs, on top of that they"re talented enough and disciplined

骑士不是刚刚在上一轮横扫了东部第1么？猛龙可是有2名联盟前25的球员啊。

我觉得就对位的方面来讲，凯尔特人面对詹姆斯和骑士真的有优势，此外，他们阵容足够有天赋，还有纪律性。

[–]Celticsredotter2 96 指標 7小時前

We ran a lineup of Rozier, Brown, Morris, Horford, and Baynes for a stretch in the last game. This is a really versatile team, there"s not a lot to exploit. Maybe it makes sense that a talented but raw team like the Bucks pushed us harder than anyone.

凯尔特人球迷：上场比赛，我凯派罗齐尔+杰伦-布朗+莫里斯+霍弗德和贝恩斯的阵容在场上打了很久。这真的是一支机动/全面性很强的球队，真的没什么可揪着打的点。这么看的话，可能也就能解释为什么像雄鹿这样天赋溢出但不够成熟的球队给我们施加的压力比其他球队的要多了。

[–][PHI] Eric SnowPhillyFreezer_ 113 指標 8小時前*

It"s the players. Brad is doing a great job with his culture and schemes but idc what anyone says, no coach takes Tatum from what he was to what he is. That"s skill.

76人球迷：是凯尔特人的球员们真的非常出色的缘故。史蒂文斯在球队文化与战术计划方面干得很棒，但是，我不关心别人说什么，在我看来，没有教练能靠自己把塔特姆培育成今天这样。这存粹是实打实的篮球技艺。

Horford shooting like 67% TS% is him being a fucking killer. A backup PG being this good isn"t just a coaching adjustment. These players are all playing very well and are locked in. Brad should get the credit for his game plan sure, but these dudes are balling rn, lots of ISO scoring too and that’s just skill

霍弗德有大概67%的真实命中率，这特么就是他自己打出了杀手风范。一名替补控卫变得如此出色也不仅仅是由于教练的调教。凯尔特人的这些球员打得都非常棒，十分专注。史蒂文斯应该为他的比赛战术而得到赞誉这毫无疑问，但是这些球员现在实在是太赞了，有很多单打得分，那单打肯定只与球员的技艺有关了呀。

[–][MIA] Josh RichardsonTRT_ 84 指標 8小時前

A little column A, a little column B.

相辅相成。

[–]SquanchoBlohnski 678 指標 9小時前

After a day of reflection, JR is still a POS for that uncalled flagrant 2

经过一天的思考，我仍然认为JR-史密斯是坨人形狗屎，那个没被判为二级恶犯的脏动作太过分了。

[–]CavaliersSiawyn 357 指標 9小時前

It should be a flagrant 2, but Boston should be hoping it stays a 1. Totally serious.

骑士球迷：那应该是个二级恶意犯规，但是波士顿应该希望联盟维持一级恶犯的判罚（这样史密斯就不会被禁赛还能上场）。我是完全认真的。

[–][HOU] Carlos Delfinowiggles97 1355 指標 9小時前

If Lue has any balls at all, he"ll bench JR for the rest of the series. Dude contributes nothing when he"s well defended now.

火箭球迷：如果泰伦-卢还算有种的话，他就得在剩余的系列赛中让JR-史密斯打替补。JR现在被防得死死的，什么贡献都没有。

[–]Grizzlies37sms 497 指標 9小時前

Seriously though they need to at least give cedi a legit shot, he"s a competent defender and isn"t a complete black hole offensively either and that"s more than what you could say about some of their other wings

不过说真格的，他们起码得给奥斯曼一点儿机会吧，他防守称职，进攻端也不是个完全的黑洞，这比骑士一些其他的侧翼球员要好很多吧。

[–][HOU] Carlos Delfinowiggles97 277 指標 9小時前

Agreed and if JR doesn"t like it, fuck him. He"s been bush league and isn"t a long term part of the cavs. Cedi at least might be.

火箭球迷：我同意。还有，如果JR-史密斯不喜欢打替补那就去TMD的吧。他这赛季打得是真的菜，而且他也不是骑士长期计划中的一部分。起码奥斯曼还可能在球队的未来中呢。

[–]Grizzlies37sms 359 指標 8小時前

And i know that a lot of people here don"t like saying it, but part of the problem boils down to lebron"s breach of power. JR had no business getting the deal he got and there was pretty much nobody bidding for him but lebron forced griffin"s hand to pay up for him. Same thing happened with TT.

我知道这里的很多人不喜欢这么说，但是问题的一部分要归结于詹姆斯对权力的逾越。JR-史密斯的能力不值他现在的这笔合同，几乎没有人开出类似的合同来追逐他，但是詹姆斯束缚住了大卫-格里芬，使后者不得不为JR-史密斯开出这么大的合同。类似的事情也发生在特里斯坦-汤普森的身上。

If their cap wasn"t so fucked from those deals they might have actually had some hope of fixing their issues. However, now they"ve got no movable assets outside of the nets pick and they have nobody who looks like they"ll emerge to be ready to play a major role on a contender alongside lebron next year. They"re just stuck.

如果没有这些合同，骑士的薪资空间没那么糟糕的话，他们真的本可能有希望解决他们的问题。然而，除了篮网的选秀权，他们没有任何可动用的资产，骑士也没有任何一个人表现出自己准备好了下赛季在詹姆斯身旁扮演重要角色继续冲击总冠军。骑士陷入了很被动的境地。

[–][BOS] Marcus SmartSmartBrown-SemiTerry 524 指標 9小時前*

Saturday is far away and I expect the Cavaliers to make some sort of adjustment. This series is far from over yet.

We all know where the contributions have to come from, and some combination of JR, Clarkson, and Korver has to really show out as a third 20+ point contributor.

凯尔特人球迷：离周六还有一段时间，我觉得骑士能做出一些调整。这轮系列赛还远没有结束。

我们都知道骑士需要谁站出来做出贡献，JR-史密斯，克拉克森还有科沃尔这三个人其中的两个人真的得挺身而出，作为球队的第三进攻点贡献至少二十分。

The Celtics just have an incredibly disciplined squad and their so dialed in right now that I"m not sure any of those three can have more than one great game this series. The amount that the Cavaliers miss Kyrie right now is stunning.

凯尔特人真的是一支非常有纪律性的队伍，他们现在状态十分专注，我不确定JR、克拉克森、科沃尔三人中能不能有人在系列赛中打出不止一场出色的发挥。骑士失去欧文造成的影响太大了。

[–]CelticssonQUAALUDE 187 指標 9小時前

putting TT in was obviously the right move. wonder if Nance and Hood will get more focus? theyve been no-shows so far, but maybe they need a green light.

凯尔特人球迷：把特里斯坦-汤普森放进首发显然是个正确的举动。我不知道南斯和胡德会不会得到更多的机会？他们到目前为止还基本算是隐身，但是他们可能需要上场机会啊。

[–]CelticsRmbuckley 353 指標 9小時前

Still feel like this might go seven games. Game 3 is gonna be a humongous indicator for how this series plays out, but I think everyone already knows that. Fully expecting the Cavs to fight back on Saturday.

凯尔特人球迷：我还是觉得这轮系列赛可能会打到第七场。第3场会是这轮系列赛的关键之战，参考意义极大，但是我认为每个人都已经知道下一场的意义了。我真觉得骑士能在周六完成反扑。

[–]Celticsitsmeagain_gocrazy 197 指標 8小時前

I"m thinking game 4 is the big one. I"m assuming game 3 will go to the Cavs because they"re back at home and they gotta win at some point. Then if the C"s win game 4, series is essentially a wrap at that point. If Cleveland wins, then it"s a best of three against the most dominant athletic force on the planet. No small feat

凯尔特人球迷：我觉得第4场是关键的一场。我觉得第3场会是骑士赢，因为他们回到了主场，而且他们总该赢了吧。之后，如果我凯拿下第四场，那系列赛基本也就结束了。如果骑士第4场赢了，这轮系列赛就成了与地球上最具统治力的运动员较量的三局两胜了。每一场都是硬茬。

[–]Buckskharathos 123 指標 6小時前

The longer a series goes on the bigger factor Lebron is.

系列赛战线拉得越长，詹姆斯对战局影响的程度越大。

[–]CelticsTheHeadiestTopper 298 指標 9小時前*

As well as this is going, I still can"t help but feel we NEED to steal one on the road so we can close it out in 5. If it goes 2-2, you"re now in a best of 3 with the #2 GOAT.

凯尔特人球迷：尽管我们处于领先，但我仍觉得我们需要在客场偷下一场胜利，这样我们就能在5场内解决战斗了。如果打成2比2平，那你就要和历史第2人打三局两胜的比赛了。

That said, I"m having a hard time imagining what adjustments there are for Lue to give his guys other than "get more open and shoot better". I saw a stat on the broadcast after the game that 92% of Cleveland"s FG attempts in the second half were contested. Sheesh. That"s not a stat we hear often, but I can"t help but think that"s high.

不过，我很难想象，除了“多导出空位，投得再准一点”以外，卢指导还能给他的队员们给出怎样的调整意见。赛后，我在节目中看到这么一个数据，骑士在下半场的出手，有92%都是受干扰下的强投。我的天啊。这个数据统计真的不常见，但我觉得这个比率有点高了吧?